ofcourse your gonna use that explenation to maintain your racist tradition without feeling too bad for seeing it for what it is..Just google around to see what the West Indische Companie was famous for in your so called golden era.Ask yourself why 400 years of slave trade can be summed up in about 4 pages of your history books you/me had in school while the in comparison 4 measly years you had your asses stepped on by nazi Germany is so eloquently detailed.try to look beyond what your being fed.
they were referring to the fact that just because something is popular elsewhere, not all cultures will like it. it has nothing to do with RACE. further, the fact that you’re putting a support behind the fact our asses were kicked by nazy germany for any period of time proves you are just looking to start a fight. log off your computer and go punch a wall, it might give you more pleasure.
@Blastard, it’s called ‘time’, WIC was 400 years ago, which eliminates all primary sources, barely anyone could write so there’s only logs saying “Today we caught 400 African slaves”. Or captains writing down in their journal that the black devils in their hold were all dying from a strange disease. The holocaust on the other hand was 60 years ago, so there are still alot of people who were a victim/nazi, and the victims theirselves could write (most of them), so we have tons of detailed stories to paint the situation.
To sum it up:
WIC:
*We knew there was slavery, and that it sucked for the slaves.
holocaust:
*happened recently, and alot of personal dramatic stories
*basicly 10,000 times more sources
WHY are they playing the accordeon? I’ve never seen a zwarte piet playing one here… Here they just try to floor little children by smashing candy into their faces ^–^
Nah… Coole Piet = cool . Remember the red, yellow, green, etc etc etc coloured Pieten a few years back though? Like “Negerzoenen” they were taking political correctness in NL a teeny bit too far with that one. Thankfully it didn’t catch on and Piet is simply black like the Moor he’s depicting… But I don’t get the accordeons either, though…:S
A teeny bit? That’s really an understatement I’m glad that discussion is over. About the accordeons, I wonder where this picture was taken, the US or back here..
zwarte piet isn’t racist, it’s tradition, never heard black people down here in the Netherlands complain about them. We’re so racist we got people from all over the world living in our multicultural society! So please cut the crap, ok..
dutch names ftw! i can’t think how weird ‘reind’ must sound in america. But everyone is praising the zwarte pieten here, but comon! what about sinterklaas himself!? give the man some props!
Zwarte Pieten FTW. Especially dressing up as them and going out on the eve of sinterklaas can be fun. You can get away with a lot when you’re dressed up as zwarte piet.
OMFG, didn’t expect Zwarte Piet on this site. My country rules. (yeah I’m dutch) They are mostly played by white people ( I know because I was one at the time) It’s totally cool
The story of St. Nicolaas and Zwarte Piet is a mixture of several stories. The oldest origin is of the Germanic god Wodan and his black helper Nörwi. When christianity came the church replaced Wodan with St Nicolaas (a Turkish Saint) and Nörwi with the conquered Devil. In the 19th Century St. Nicolaas moved to Spaoin and the Devil got replaced by a Moor (black Arabian). In the 20th century the single Zwarte Piet became several Zwarte Pieten, often with their own speciality, like: Poems writing Piet (The gifts at St. Nicolaas mostly come with a poem that makes fun of the person receiving the gift), gift wrapping Piet, sailing Piet, etc.
If you know about this complex background you may not judge so harshly about this fun tradition.
By the way Santa Claus is the commercialised version of St Nicolaas invented by Coca Cola. The American “tradition” of giving gifts at Christmas is very boring and impersonal for Dutch people. With St Nicolaas the gifts are accompanied by a personal poem and/or packed in a way that tells something about the person. For example if somebody is taking driving lessons then they get a car made out of carton and inside will be a candy driver’s license . With the unpacking the poems should be read out lout. Altogether the unpacking forms an evening filling program. The preparation can start weeks in advance and fills many houses with excited anticipation.
Oh yeah real mature boredbrain. It’s a great tradition. While you’re a kid at least. After that it gets a bit boring (mostly the having to write the poems yourself part) But i hope I can participate in this great tradition with my kids like my parents did with me.
Get a sense of humor dip, the tl;dr comments are a meme that people always put on long blocks of text.
Is ignorance really bliss, i’ve always wanted to ask someone that.
Hehe. I always wondered why no one ever thought of just getting a black guy instead of white people who paint their faces black. Guess it’s a tradition thing.
This is so f**king racist. Why are stupid traditions like this allowed to live on in the 21st century. I don’t care how much you enjoyed it as a kid, I’m sure the slave owners also enjoyed waking up every morning with a bunch of black dudes doing their work too.
Dude chill it has been said before and I will say it again:
THEY ARE BLACK BECAUSE OF THE CHIMNEY THEY CAME THROUGH!
learn about peoples traditions before burning them to the ground, THAT’S racist judging some people before knowing the background!
actually they’re black because tha “ancestor” of “sinterklaas” had black slaves, wich represented evil and ferocity, and the fact they were his slaves represented power and “peace”
Now they’re not evil, instead, they’re mischeavous and they’re no slaves, they’re his servants
so, in a way, it’s racist, but also a “tradition”
both of you are right
poeple who think ‘zwarte piet’ is meant as racism fail!
The oringal reason why they’re black is because because they climb through the chimney and the soot/grime(?) makes them black
OF COURSE the image originally came from slavery, but that doesn’t mean we teach kids that slavery is good. As said, they’re black because they crawl through the chimney all the time.
All children think Zwarte Piet is cool. They live in a giant castle, can behave as wacky as they want, pull pranks and get as much candy as they want. Take it as a comliment that every little Dutch kid wants to be a Zwarte Piet someday instead of whining over slavery and racism all the time.
FIRST
Also, was I the only one who saw their faces and thought
I’MMA FIRIN MAH LAZOR!!!
…
Yes, you WERE the only one. Now leave.
Zwarte Piet is friggin’ awesome!
Don’t mess with the zwarte pieten They get into your house trough your chimney!
And fire their lazors to you
I found a new pic for my aryan homepage
Zwarte piet rocks! He’s the slave of sinterklaas.. (Santa claus is his brother/same person in different clothes)
zwarte piet jonge!
Keep your racism to yourself, America.
Yeah, because racism doesn’t exist elsewhere does it Hitler?
Godwin’s law: “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1.”
So thanks for making this a REAL discussion
Besides, Zwarte Piet isn’t racism. He’s not a negroid man serving an old white bloke, he’s just Zwarte Piet.
I always learned he got black skin from all the soot that stuck to his face after climbing down the chimney and delivering our presents.
ofcourse your gonna use that explenation to maintain your racist tradition without feeling too bad for seeing it for what it is..Just google around to see what the West Indische Companie was famous for in your so called golden era.Ask yourself why 400 years of slave trade can be summed up in about 4 pages of your history books you/me had in school while the in comparison 4 measly years you had your asses stepped on by nazi Germany is so eloquently detailed.try to look beyond what your being fed.
they were referring to the fact that just because something is popular elsewhere, not all cultures will like it. it has nothing to do with RACE. further, the fact that you’re putting a support behind the fact our asses were kicked by nazy germany for any period of time proves you are just looking to start a fight. log off your computer and go punch a wall, it might give you more pleasure.
@Blastard, it’s called ‘time’, WIC was 400 years ago, which eliminates all primary sources, barely anyone could write so there’s only logs saying “Today we caught 400 African slaves”. Or captains writing down in their journal that the black devils in their hold were all dying from a strange disease. The holocaust on the other hand was 60 years ago, so there are still alot of people who were a victim/nazi, and the victims theirselves could write (most of them), so we have tons of detailed stories to paint the situation.
To sum it up:
WIC:
*We knew there was slavery, and that it sucked for the slaves.
holocaust:
*happened recently, and alot of personal dramatic stories
*basicly 10,000 times more sources
LOL,it’s from Holland you idiot.
OK, I’m confused… Who’s the troll here?
The dutch are awesome – as always they don’t allow popular politics to impact on thier culture. Go Holland!
People dressing like black people for a holiday, legal weed and prostitute unions.
WE RULE
Loving Holland.
Your doing it right!!1one!!
WHY are they playing the accordeon? I’ve never seen a zwarte piet playing one here… Here they just try to floor little children by smashing candy into their faces ^–^
lmao
Same here
HAHA awesome… Zwarte pieten zijn cool. =)
Nah… Coole Piet = cool
. Remember the red, yellow, green, etc etc etc coloured Pieten a few years back though? Like “Negerzoenen” they were taking political correctness in NL a teeny bit too far with that one. Thankfully it didn’t catch on and Piet is simply black like the Moor he’s depicting… But I don’t get the accordeons either, though…:S
A teeny bit? That’s really an understatement
I’m glad that discussion is over. About the accordeons, I wonder where this picture was taken, the US or back here..
It’s the family funk…
CRACKER! HONKY!
…and I’m white. Quit being so ignorant.
good on ya my dutch brothers,will never 4get swarte piet,long may he live!,moved overseas when 7 y/o and proud of my dutch heritige
Zwarte peiet is zooo verschrikkelijk cool
american peeps can learn from our great super rase of beautyfull peoples you ugly’s.
jan, stfu
Did you know that your name in america is a female name?
JinPachi, stfu
Did you know that two capital letters in one name don’t exist, anywhere in the world?
newkid, stfu.
The Dutch languange considers ‘ij’ to be a single letter. The name IJsbrand is therefore written with double capitals.
uh yeah they do my name is Gert-Jan you dork…
My middle name has two capital letters in it, and im american.
BlackBerry
You’ve never heard of someone named MacDonald? I’m pretty sure he has a farm…
this bring backs memories. gaa Nederland oranje bove!
DUTCH PRIDE!
Don’t mess with them! Sinterklaas and his Zwarte Pieten existed long before Santa Claus!
zwarte piet isn’t racist, it’s tradition, never heard black people down here in the Netherlands complain about them. We’re so racist we got people from all over the world living in our multicultural society! So please cut the crap, ok..
dutch names ftw! i can’t think how weird ‘reind’ must sound in america. But everyone is praising the zwarte pieten here, but comon! what about sinterklaas himself!? give the man some props!
Zwarte Pieten FTW. Especially dressing up as them and going out on the eve of sinterklaas can be fun. You can get away with a lot when you’re dressed up as zwarte piet.
OMFG, didn’t expect Zwarte Piet on this site. My country rules. (yeah I’m dutch) They are mostly played by white people ( I know because I was one at the time) It’s totally cool
Cuz no black dude in the Netherlands wants to put on blackface…
(speaking from experience)
….?
Yeah. We are awesome.
Win.
The story of St. Nicolaas and Zwarte Piet is a mixture of several stories. The oldest origin is of the Germanic god Wodan and his black helper Nörwi. When christianity came the church replaced Wodan with St Nicolaas (a Turkish Saint) and Nörwi with the conquered Devil. In the 19th Century St. Nicolaas moved to Spaoin and the Devil got replaced by a Moor (black Arabian). In the 20th century the single Zwarte Piet became several Zwarte Pieten, often with their own speciality, like: Poems writing Piet (The gifts at St. Nicolaas mostly come with a poem that makes fun of the person receiving the gift), gift wrapping Piet, sailing Piet, etc.
If you know about this complex background you may not judge so harshly about this fun tradition.
By the way Santa Claus is the commercialised version of St Nicolaas invented by Coca Cola. The American “tradition” of giving gifts at Christmas is very boring and impersonal for Dutch people. With St Nicolaas the gifts are accompanied by a personal poem and/or packed in a way that tells something about the person. For example if somebody is taking driving lessons then they get a car made out of carton and inside will be a candy driver’s license . With the unpacking the poems should be read out lout. Altogether the unpacking forms an evening filling program. The preparation can start weeks in advance and fills many houses with excited anticipation.
too much text, didn’t read
Oh yeah real mature boredbrain. It’s a great tradition. While you’re a kid at least. After that it gets a bit boring (mostly the having to write the poems yourself part) But i hope I can participate in this great tradition with my kids like my parents did with me.
Get a sense of humor dip, the tl;dr comments are a meme that people always put on long blocks of text.
Is ignorance really bliss, i’ve always wanted to ask someone that.
lol, idk
The American Santa Claus is also a rip off of the Swedish Tomte.
Woohee I celebrate both Sinterklaas and Tomte because of my Swedish/Dutch roots. good for me!
please don’t tell me rule 34 applies to this to,
PLEASE DON’T!
You mentioned it, so therefore it must. I’m sorry.
It’s called “Interracial sex” or “Ebony Gay Sex”
its the s**t, the comments are full of fails
lolz
the s**t?
wtf?
Hehe. I always wondered why no one ever thought of just getting a black guy instead of white people who paint their faces black. Guess it’s a tradition thing.
Zwarte Piet is awesome. I’m living in Belgium at the moment so this year I get to celebrate my first ever Sinterklaas dag… exciting
ahah lol ik wist niet dat er hier mensen waren die nl/vlaams spraken
Dan ben je een kutmongool, in de rechterbovenhoek moet je ‘ns op dat kruisje klikken.
There is a new horror movie coming out in holland starring the Sint and de Zwarte Piet as
.. serial murderers out for revenge, killing heverybody they can get their undead hands on
There is a new horror movie coming out in holland starring the Sint and de Zwarte Piet as killers:
how did you knew that? do you live in holland or is it just me?
Yeah I live in the Netherlands!! i’m as dutch as it gets: Gert-Jan is my name;)
LOL how did you all know that i live in holland!!!
Because we dutch are all knowing:P
This is so f**king racist. Why are stupid traditions like this allowed to live on in the 21st century. I don’t care how much you enjoyed it as a kid, I’m sure the slave owners also enjoyed waking up every morning with a bunch of black dudes doing their work too.
Dude chill it has been said before and I will say it again:
THEY ARE BLACK BECAUSE OF THE CHIMNEY THEY CAME THROUGH!
learn about peoples traditions before burning them to the ground, THAT’S racist judging some people before knowing the background!
actually they’re black because tha “ancestor” of “sinterklaas” had black slaves, wich represented evil and ferocity, and the fact they were his slaves represented power and “peace”
Now they’re not evil, instead, they’re mischeavous and they’re no slaves, they’re his servants
so, in a way, it’s racist, but also a “tradition”
both of you are right
i just realized…
they’re climbin in our windows…
Black Pete
poeple who think ‘zwarte piet’ is meant as racism fail!
The oringal reason why they’re black is because because they climb through the chimney and the soot/grime(?) makes them black
OF COURSE the image originally came from slavery, but that doesn’t mean we teach kids that slavery is good. As said, they’re black because they crawl through the chimney all the time.
All children think Zwarte Piet is cool. They live in a giant castle, can behave as wacky as they want, pull pranks and get as much candy as they want. Take it as a comliment that every little Dutch kid wants to be a Zwarte Piet someday instead of whining over slavery and racism all the time.