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I pick red
i pick the gun
I pick the money AND the gun!
i pick the money and the gun and your moms cat
i like turtles!
but turtles don’t have guns
They do in MY world…
And how much acid is involved in the creation of that world?
C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!
i pick capitalism….because im the red guy
i pick capitalism…because im the money guy
Republican.
capitalism. SUCK IT BLUE!!
Gettim Simmons!
Um…already killed him
Yes, because in the minds of liberals, working for your money is a metaphor for shoving a gun in someone’s face and stealing theirs.
how do you know a “liberal” made this poster? its just an over simplification of both highly flawed economic structures, perhaps you should lay off the FOX for a while…
because the left loves to claim that capitalism is the same as socialism save for the government is the one who has all the money in the socialist society instead of some evil business owner.
because liberals love to claim that there’s no difference between the two systems except the government having the money instead of some greedy business owner
To be clear, I voted Libertarian last election, and GREED is the only similarity I wanted to show in BOTH systems. Not liberal or conservative, left or right, or even red or blue.
And in the minds of conservatives or republicans, other people have YOUR money. Even though you already took THEIR money.
wow, a red vs blue reference becomes a political debate. i never thought i would see this on the internet. have you no shame?
How is this a Red Vs. Blue reference? Both colors are used to represent political parties as well and last I checked, Red Vs. Blue wasn’t stick figures.
they took our jerrrbs!
DEY TOOK YUR JERBS
dey tuk yrr der!!!!
DER KA DUR!!
BAGOCK!
C-C-COMBOBREAKER!
You just had to say it.
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actually i think you are always the blue one
I’m not sure why the red guy is shown holding the gun in both panes; in my experience, it’s been the super-rich Obama supporters (Murdoch, Buffett, Gates, Jobs, etc.) that run the economy, not the supposed “rich Republicans.” The Socialism pane would be more accurate if the colors were switched, and the guy was holding a hammer or a shovel depicting a good work ethic, though.
What? Did you just say Murdoch is an Obama supporter? He owns Fox News. When’s the last time Fox News has said anything good about Obama?
But I don’t think this was meant to be Democrat vs. Republican, just two separate guys who happened to be blue and red.
i agree…
the red is the one with the gun because red is associated with violence and thus makes a good color for the antagonist…
actually, the red guy serves as a political leader and the blue guy serves as the common man. for proof visit here…
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/red-guy-blue-guy
Its the idea that In Socialism the Poor demand money from the Rich. and In capitalism the rich demand money from the poor. hence where the money bag is in each respective side.
How the heck do the rich demand money from the poor??? They GOT NO money!!!
You jave to consider how Capitalists get the money in the first place…from those who end up having less of it.
you just don’t get it. Capitalist can’t take money from the poor, the chronic poor don’t ever have money. Capitalists request investments from folks willing to gamble their money on an idea and then, if there are any profits, they divvy the profit up with the folks who invested per the amounts they all agreed to pay. From what I’ve experienced regarding the chronic poor, they don’t choose to invest wisely. if you knew jack about economics TT you’d know better.
in actuality, the rich get their money from the poor. this is why the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. you contradict yourself in your own description of the situation. ie – the chronic poor don’t have the money to invest, so they cannot make wise investments, you cannot invest what you don’t have. if you live from paycheck to paycheck you don’t have the additional required capital to invest into any substantial market. the rich demand money from the poor by raising the prices on held monopolies such as oil, and housing, making it so the poor cannot invest, or save and in turn become poorer. if people were paid what they were worth as-in the people who build your house get paid as well or better than the person who owns the bank controlling your loan interest and additional rates. than there would be no poor. it would be society of varying middleclass
well said
sampson makes a great point. not only that but, shim, what experience do you have with the chronic poor? if you had any, other than telling them to get a job, you probably wouldn’t call them the ‘chronic poor’. it seems a little inhuman.besides, its stupid to make such sweeping generalizations about every person who is living underneath the poverty line. say someone was born into a poor family. did they choose the wrong investment based upon what womb they decided to come out of? the matter of economics is much to complicated to say ‘if you’re poor its you own damn fault’. to do so is ignorant and blind.
Of course you can’t invest without money- they invested what they had poorly.
Yes, because buying food to live is a bad investment.
The point is that the chronic poor never had money TO BEGIN WITH>
funny, I wonder what they do with all that welfare they get if they don’t have any money?? oh yeah, they use food stamps to buy beer and cigarettes, and sometimes t-bone steaks and lobster. don’t TELL me the chronic poor DON’T have money! They get it from hard working TAXPAYERS!! You complete ‘TARD. If they bothered to work at all they wouldn’t end up chronically poor, living off the gov’ment and taking money from folks that DO WORK
So give them work…
The corporate people would rather ship the jobs to India or China because paying enough that someone doesn’t have to work 16hrs a day just to pay rent, utilities, their car payment, insurance and still eat and maybe have a little entertainment is too much an expense for them. Oh and then they don’t’ have to worry about expensive environmental or safety issues after all who cares if a few workers get permanently crippled or even killed on the job if it saves some money….
Because their job is to find ways to make the company more cost efficient. Also, if people who build houses made as much as the people holding jobs that require a college degree, no one would get higher than a highschool diploma. If that happened, the demand for skilled workers would rise and the pay for those positions would increase. The idea of paying people who build houses as much as you pay skilled workers (people holding jobs that require an advanced education) doesnt work and never will. If the gap in income closes, fewer people will choose to take the more expensive route and get an education. The cycle then repeats. Ugh, I told myself I would never get involved in a discussion like this on the internet. =(happened, the demand for skilled workers would rise and the pay for those positions would increase. The idea of paying people who build houses as much as you pay skilled workers (people holding jobs that require an advanced education) doesnt work and never will. If the gap in income closes, fewer people will choose to take the more expensive route and get an education. The cycle then repeats.
Ugh, I told myself I would never get involved in a discussino liekthis on the internet. =(
You do know that you don’t get much money at all to live on when you get welfare. when my dad was so poor that he had cheese and crackers for dinner some days while my grandmother was working as a waitress for Big Boy
My dad was on welfare from when he was born until he was about 22 and me and my brother were on welfare for the first few years of our lives and trust me you don’t get much money on welfare because you have to make near to no money to even get money. And where did you get your information about the t-bone steaks and lobster? Even now when I live in a middle class family I rarely have steak and I never have lobster.
Are you kidding me? How can you be so ignorant of facts? It is proven historical FACT that the rich get richer off the labor of the poor & undereducated. Do you see ANY of the rich sending their kids to the public schools that they so gleefully cut funding to? Once they have bled the poor dry & used them as a cheap labor they outsource the jobs to even cheaper labor makets in other countries. If you honestly think that the 14 million people that are out of work in this country are unemployed because they are too lazy to work then YOU are the retarded one.
Sampson,
Just so you know there is this thing called inflation vs supply/demand. Socalists think as your statement does that if every one just had or made more money that there would be this magical place where everyone would be in the middle. Unfortunately the utopian ideal would never ever work because if every one made the same amount of money or even had the same amount of money, it would all be worthless. Bread would cost 50$ a loave and that $200,000 house would now be $2,000,000. Also you can build a house with a 2 year journeyman ticket, you need a 7 year masters to run a bank, or 12 years to be a brain surgeon, if you want to be making that wage go get the education to make it. If you don’t have the money study harder and get scholarships or student loans.
socialism is the unequal system to make every one equal.
capitalism is the equal opportunity for people to be unequal.
poverty in this nation is a state of mind not an issue of ones birth. We’re not in affrica or afghanistan
Actually what you are referring to is Communism, not Socialism. Socialism (according to basically everyone but FOX news) places values based on the work that you do (so a rocket scientist would earn more money than a McDonalds burger flipper)
Communism pays everyone the same, which tends to lead to laziness, since you can do less work for the same €/$
The thing with pure socialism is that the government is supposed to own everything, like in communism.
I don’t advocate socialism, but if you argue against it, you should at least know what you are arguing against.
The rich dont demand money from the poor… if we follow your analogy then the increased prices at a grocery store are the rich people demanding more from the poor. There’s no government increasing the payroll tax, corporate tax, social security tax, medicare tax, capital gains tax, luxury tax, gas tax, income tax, forcing them to provide health care coverage, dealing out unfunded mandates, or regulating their business into the ground … THAT never happens.
If you took all the money from the rich today and handed it to the poor the same people would have their wealth back within 5 years. Why? because the rich know how to make money by offering a good or service. The poor only know how to work for someone else and buy things (usually more than they can afford).
yes it does. you are obviously one of the rich.
True, however, as we have seen in history, a long period of extreme capitalism can lead to a negative flow of money, it only circulates at the top, completely screwing everyone else, which can also happen in a long period of extreme socialism, which is why balance of both insures that nobody gets totally screwed.
There is no such thing as a balance between capitalism and socialism. Its a republic OR an oligarchy … there is no olipublic or reparchy.
Technical Name Win.
+1 internets for your bastardization of names
you realize that economic systems are distinctly different from government systems?
Besides, the way i see it, capitalism is a good system for some situations, while socialism is good for others. We need to know when and where to apply each.
That is why you hear a lot about the “working poor”. I was working 30 hours a week at 10.69 an hour and my husband was working 45 hours a week at 17.75 an hour. We were and are paycheck to paycheck. I am actually able to SAVE more money staying at home all the time. Unfortunately the one important thing we lost was health insurance, of which my comany payed half the premium. We shouldn’t be forced to work jobs just for the health insurance and not for our passions.
If you lived in my country your health would be seen as a human right, and you would be guaranteed free basic health care. I am so sorry that you were put in that position, it’s so unfair.
United Kingdom FTW!!!!1
tldnr
LOL! See common sense wins out every time. Well said Jeff toaster!
the thing is, common sense is NOT common anymore.
it never was
Consumerism????
true but then again; how is a company able to pay a CEO 12 mil a year.. they take from the bottom, all money have to come from somewhere and in a capitalist society you take the money from the rich while in a capitalist society the system is structured so that the poor people have a minimized chance of reaching wealth status
Murdoch? As in Rupert Murdoch? The super conservative owner of Fox News and the Sun? Yeah, about that.
I get it! Fox News is a very clever Liberal plot to make Conservatives look crazy! Ooo… They are SO devious!
…and there’s the token right-winger. We have a political cartoon, so of course someone has to cry about Obama.
Because they tend to own the guns.
And I don’t think the creators of this necessarily had the American political party “res vs. blue” in mind anyways… those are just two very different colors.
This is funny. You think any politician in the USA does not support capitalism?
In the US you got the moderate right (Democrats) and the extreme right (Republicans). There is nothing like a center party, let alone a leftist party.
Pablo gets it.
I guess youve not heard of the progressive caucus. They are democrats that literally advocate getting rid of capitalism and moving us towards socialism. They are the largest caucus in the house of representatives as well with over 40 members (most are less than 20).
The progressives were the ones who gave us the income tax, a segregated society, planned parenthood, social justice (redistributing wealth based on social/political position), and the direct election of senators… to name a few. They in fact became so hated that at the end of world war 1 they had to change their name to liberals. They coopted the name liberal from the classic european liberal who is really more like a libertarian (maximum freedom with limited government) because they believe in civil liberties so they tried to tie their name to the classic liberal based on a tenuous association at best. But we are coming up on 100 years of them being called liberals now so not a lot of the left cares to make that known.
Also there is still a communist party and a socialist party in the USA.
Capitalism is 1000X worse than socialism (which is bad too).
Anyway, this picture is funny, but the caption is not.
More than a 100 million people have died under socialist regimes. I wonder how many will die under Obama.
Wow, I didn’t know that capitalism made people live forever and be unaffected by wars, famine, etc.
No, but it does pretty much eliminate gulags, mass famines, and political deaths. Really, based on your comment, I’m guessing you’re either a govt. official, a teen, a child, or someone who voted for Obama.
” Researchers before the 1991 dissolution of the Soviet Union attempting to count the number of people killed under Stalin’s regime produced estimates ranging from 3 to 60 million.[79] After the Soviet Union dissolved, evidence from the Soviet archives also became available, containing official records of the execution of approximately 800,000 prisoners under Stalin for either political or criminal offenses, around 1.7 million deaths in the Gulags and some 390,000 deaths during kulak forced resettlement – for a total of about 3 million officially recorded victims in these categories.” -Wikipedia
Key factor you’re forgetting: Stalin was mentally unstable. His version of socialism and communism was not only an extremely flawed version of what these two concepts were originally intended to be, but his pure paranoia over all factors of the Soviet Union led him to take drastic actions to ensure his place of power.
Socialism and communism are meant to be systems without a dictator, yet Stalin twisted them to his own means, establishing himself as a supreme leader, and setting the tone for the Soviet Union for the next several decades.
You say that socialism is not meant to have a dictatorial state? Neither is capitalism. The problem is not the political systems (ideally, they are all fantastic ideas in their own right)- the problem is the people running them. No matter where you go, you will find ruthless, sociopathic @$$holes who will twist everything about law and economics to make themselves happy at the expense of hundreds of others. That, sadly, is an inescapable fact of life.
In summation, contrary to popular cliche;
“Don’t hate the game, hate the player”.
actually, on paper, communism is an extremely brilliant plan, whereas capitalism should have collapsed and died out within a few decades. the difference between written ideologies and lived ones is that the written ones don’t account for greed, which is why communism failed and capitalism flourished…
how can it be brilliant if it doesn’t take into account human behavior? isn’t the point of every economic system to explain how people behave in the marketplace?
Obama Stalin ?
isnt that a rather harsh comparison? i mean stalin was the heir to a communist regime that from the beginning was highly disfunctional and extremly radical.
The capitlistic equivelant of the communist regime would be a society with: no welfare, completely private nursing, education and health institutions, no regulations, etc.
in that system like that how many people do you think would die during as little as a single year? all the poor people who now would have no help to get food, jobs, education and sickness treatment. it would be f***ing medieval
So you suppose people aren’t dying under capitalism regimes. What a desillusion it will be for you.
And how the hell is that? Socialism has been proven to be literally mathematically impossible.
it is not impossible, it is improbable. it would work fine if people were robots and did not WANT more…
I love you, sampson.
what do you mean it’s mathematically impossible? The ast I checked, many countries were Socialist.
I guess I missed the funny. This belongs over in pundit kitchen with the rest of the hating.
Economics: Idiots think they can understand it without studying it first.
Too right man. Everyone is just jumping on the capitalism or socialism bandwagon, both can work under the right circumstance… And even then it is not so cut and dry like that. More to the point, this is meant to be comedy and people have turned it into political debate hour!
then you better start studying
The problem with socialism is socialism. Not only that but it absolutely guarantees your going to be poor and eventually you run out of other people money. Socialism is a government for the stupid and lazy, Capitalism does not guarantee you success but it “WILL” let you have it.
Capitalism does not guarantee you success, but it will find a way to screw you over. There I fixed that for you.
Odd, I don’t require anyone forcing you to take a loan for a house, or for your car, or maxing out your credit card…
Capitalism only gives you the fruits of your actions. This is a good thing; it rewards wisdom and prudence with riches and power, and punishes foolishness and hastiness with debt and hard living. Socialism takes them away, good or bad, and gives them to everyone. And, so, no one learns from socialism.
Also, people are much more likely to produce when they have incentive for it, as it is with capitalism; you own the fruits of your labors, whether you keep them yourself, trade them, or sell them to an employer for wages. In socialism, this incentive is highly diminished if not done away with entirely. So, ceteris paribus, Capitalism will produce more goods and services than Communism, leading to people having more needs and wants satisfied.
Or you can be injured or become sick and lose all of your “fruits of labor” to a healthcare system
Wrong. Capitalism gives you the opportunity to do well. Socialism doesn’t. Common sense speaks for itself. Go play with your toy AK47 somewhere else, rebel kid.
Capitalism gives you the opportunity to profit personally from your labor or talent. (Of course, it doesn’t always work out that way despite your best efforts sometimes.) The problem with capitalism is that it ONLY gives you the incentive to profit personally. Personal profit motive is only part of what a society needs. There also needs to be an community motive to look after the well being of the People as a whole. It is the job of government (IMO) to balance the profit needs of business and the community needs of people. Government that is overbalanced toward business becomes fascist. Government that is overbalanced toward community becomes socialist.
YOU find a way to screw you over, by being lazy and incompetent. Capitalism has nothing to do with your unwillingness to try.
There, fixed it for the morons.
ok so i grew up in poverty.. a long line of broke a$$ people… how do i make riches? do i go get an education from my broke a$$ school? and go to college that i can get a loan for? the problem with people who are for capitalism is, they don’t see things from all perspectives. think of the kid who grew up in a dirt poor town with dirt poor schools the kind of schools that cant afford teachers and books… how is that kid going to make is big in capitalism? he is going to be poorer, not because of his laziness, but because of circumstance.
That’s bs and you know it. People who try hard rise out of their circumstances all the time. That’s another difference between conservatives and libtards. Libtards constantly insist that no one is responsible for themselves and only bad can continue to happen, pointing out instances of the ones who, if you look hard enough, never try to get themselves out. And there are lots of those because all human beings are inherently lazy.
you do realize that many rags-to-riches stories often involve dumb luck?
YOU call it dumb luck, *I* call it a Blessing from God. God rewards those who work hard, whether in this life or in Heaven, and just because someone makes it big by skill or what you would call circumstance, doesn’t mean they didn’t deserve it for something God has planned for them. If you think otherwise, it proves you’re just jealous.
My grandfather’s didn’t involve dumb luck. He was a janitor at ATT and he became a stockbroker for them within a few years because he worked hard and was polite and civil.
Yes. That is what I did, as well of most of the people I choose to associate with. I grew up wearing sweatpants instead of anything remotely “fashionable”, eating split pea soup because it was cheap. But I decided than no matter how badly my school failed everyone around me that I myself wouldn’t fail. I wore sweatpants and ate ramen through college as well, didn’t own a car till after I graduated, and balanced 2 jobs to make ends meet. Now I own a very successful business and make quite a bit of money. It irritates me to no end when people like you whine. Capitalism allowed me alternative routes to success, but it was I and I alone who got off my butt and did something with them.
Thank you! Finally, somebody who understands how economics is supposed to work and actually impliments it to their success.
well maybe your brokea$$ should look at the many people who came from such neighborhoods and still made it big, including the likes of steve jobs (orphan), Andrew Carnegie (Carnegie Steel fyi one of the biggest corporations of his time), benjamin franklin, stephen king etc. all these people came from impoverished backgrounds, found a way to pay for school/got experience that led them to become successful. thats the power of capitalism, as long as you work hard, take risks and never give up you will eventually make it. Read Atlas Shrugged, it changed my perspective on things.
I grew up in a stable, white, middle-class American family. I went to decent schools, lived in nice neighborhoods. My parents always had high expectations of me. I studied hard, I did well, I went to a good college (which even my middle-class family would never have afforded if I hadn’t gotten scholarships). I’m now a medical student and will presumably enjoy a comfortable life barring any unforeseen misfortune or the Mayans being right about 2012.
Now let’s take a look at anyone on the cleaning staff at my university. They are what I assume you would call “chronically poor”, grew up in crushing poverty, went to broke intercity schools, are much less likely to have as stable a support structure as me, probably dealt with gangs and violence and drug-use that I was never even exposed to as a teenager, and most of them are working at least one other minimum wage job in a desperate attempt to provide for themselves and/or their families. When are these people supposed to go chase down their higher education and improve their lot in life? As hard as I’ve worked to get to medical school, they work harder just to survive. They’ll work brutal manual labor and service jobs 16 hours a day until their bodies give out and they get crushed by medical debt because none of their 3 employers provide insurance.
I’m not saying it’s impossible for someone in this situation to pull themselves up by the proverbial bootstraps, but anyone who acts like the capitalist deck is not stacked against them is being willfully ignorant. Not every orphan can grow up and found Apple. It’s easy for middle-class or rich people to get richer, but it’s incredibly difficult for the poor to do the same. The structure of capitalism institutionalizes this inequality and gives us the whole variety of ignorant narratives about why the poor are poor that I’ve seen in these posts. Capitalism is not this gracious entity that rewards a person for how hard he or she tries. That man cleaning my bathroom at school and working construction at night surely tries as hard as I ever have to succeed and provide, but he won’t be rewarded accordingly.
The bottom line is that a system whose only motivating force is personal gain and profit just lends itself to greed and inequality and provides little safeguards for the less fortunate. Each person doesn’t exist in a little capitalist vacuum where they reap only what they sow. Some of us have a lot more to sow than others. Again, willful ignorance is required not to see this. And I’m not saying socialism is the answer. I’m saying these are real problems with capitalism that we need to work on and have a real conversation about rather than just throwing out the same imaginary narratives about how if Steve Jobs was successful, than all poor people can be, or that whole poor people are lazy/stupid/living comfortably on food stamps bulls**t. It’s absurd and you all know it.
That’s also not to say that a very demotivational comments thread is the best place for thoughtful discussion on institutionalized inequality, but I’m just saying everyone should stop and think a little more critically about this.
Lastly, human rights and social justice? It always amazes me when people manage to demonize these things. Equality? Fairness? Yeah I’m not in favor that. Really?
Bravo!!! Somebody who GETS it.
This is SO full of crap. Incredibly difficult does NOT mean impossible. A person gets ahead on how hard that person pushes himself. Life is NOT fair, and never will be, but it’s the individuals who take that and overcome it who are the individuals to be admired and emulated, and anyone who complains is just too lazy to follow that example. For all you know those hard working folks on the cleaning staff may be saving up to open their own business, or working just hard enough to go home, eat dinner, smoke a couple of joints and go to bed. ITS UP TO THEM!!
You want to give $20 bucks or more to the cleaning staff, you feel free to dig out your wallet and do that, but to force someone else to follow your sentiment is the greatest example of slavery. The fact that there are many many examples of people living comfortably on welfare has already proven that it’s a broken system and a waste of hard earned money by folks who DO work hard.
No one ever said capitalism was gracious, but its MORE fair than some government entity pointing a gun at a hard working tax payer and saying, “give it up for the baby momma in the trailerpark, she needs to pay for cable TV”
… So I guess you haven’t heard of Scandinavia?
capitalism as a system is flawed as it hinges on greed – the desire to get more – and competition. it cannot actually exist for itself by itself. it needs to be offset by socialism like charities, orphanages and night shelters to help those who have been shunted by aggressive capitalist pigs…
This system trims the fat, although the fat is poor people, so if you do not care about poor people, then it would work well.
greed is fairly reliable, and greedy people are more productive than others.
Here in Canada we blend socialism and capitalism and we’re doing very fine, athankyew. So is Sweden and a number of other countries.
“Socialism is a government for the stupid and lazy”. Nice.
See you on the other side of your finance-capitalism depression, cowboy.
Capitalism is letting you ‘have it’ alright! Right up the backside.
Whoever made that poster obviously doesn’t know anything about economics.
Maybe he a CEO of a major bank?
ZING!
Isn’t this sort of a false dilemma? The world isn’t divided into black and white so clearly! And-oh wait, it’s a Demotivational Poster, not a political statement that’s supposed to be taken seriously. I wonder what I was getting so worked up over.
it’s not black and white… its red and blue…
The world isn’t divided into red and blue so clearly, either!
You’re one of those blue people aren’t you…
Yes. And, you can’t have our unobtainium!
Win!
GUYS IT’S ALL A LIE, RED AND BLUE ARE THE SAME!
Well… that’s not going to be very good for business… duuuude.
so true dude
I wonder if we can find some sort of purple area here.
… The answer to this is to pick the blue guy in the first one, break the red guys arm, take the gun, shoot him, take any money he has, shoot the other blue guy, take his money and get into a gun fight with the other red guy, win, and take his money.
lol
Karak, that would make you Stalin, I think, except for winning against the second red guy.
Finally an actual DEMOTIVATIONAL POSTER, and its kinda funny, havent seen one in some time ^^
I pick red. Either one will do, I’m still walking outta there with a bag of money.
You can’t be red in both scenarios simply because you don’t both be poor and rich at the same time. The gun isn’t a literal gun, but a symbol of who holds the power and authority.
This just in: No one gives a s**t.
Excepting, of course, everyone who posted before this. Disregard them-they’re just in your head, anyway.
I pick red (government right?)
why does it matter? in the end the red guy’s gonna have the money either way
If red is the government, shouldn’t it be the other way around?
Neither is government. The guy with the bag is upper class, the other guy is lower class.
You guys are missing the point.It’s not about choosing between the blue or the red guy,but choosing between Capitalism or Socialism (which I pick)
in capitalism red are the companies, blue is people, and in socialism red is the government and the rich people are the blue
what would anarchism look like? everyone’s red and has a gun, no one has any money?
http://incredimazing.com/static/media/2009/09/30/N2xcd/n2xcd.png
Fascism FTW then.
Fascism isn’t an economic ideology. Fascists have historically been capitalist.
Fail
wait… what? fascism was interventionist and corporationist, therefore no free market. no free market = no capitalism
umm check your facts, the nazi’s in germany were all about state control and interventionism, there were corporations but if you didn’t listen to their guidance, house arrest/death for you!
anarchists aren’t red but black. so anarchism would be: everyone’s black, everyone has money and no one has a gun. in the ideal world, that is.
No, it’d be the other way around. Everyone would have a gun, and nobody would have money.
I think anarchy would be better described by 100 people, 50 guns, and 25 bags of money. Distribute randomly, and you eventually end up with government.
Anarchy will eventually resolve into government… crappy, violent, greedy government, but government nonetheless. Libertarianism is anarchy with money.
You realize, of course, those of you who claim to support socialism, that the Nazis were socialists?
Don’t let labels fool you. “Socialism” is government ownership of all property and means of production. “Capitalism” is private ownership of property and the means of production.
You realise that national socialism turned a country devastated by World War One into a superpower ready to give the world another arse-kicking in less than thirty years, right?
Fail, they were bent over and raped by the capitalist country. Go live in Cuba if you want to live in a socialist country.
Capitalism isn’t that great either, you know. No system is because the average human is a stupid moron.
correct
(i’d say +1, but i’m out of internets…)
For that I shall have to replenish yours. +1 internets.
right because your advocating of socialism (national socialism to be exact… which was the nazi party) failed so you claim that all systems are imperfect.
Try looking at the global wealth through history… you’ll notice that around 1800 it shoots through the roof… why do you suppose that is? Oh yeah the founding fathers of the USA created a capitalist republic with a limited government and let contracts and property rights rule the land. That left wealth creation in the hands of the individual and not the hands of the king/despot. When people are not oppressed by a ruler who gives them everything they are allowed to live on then they make a better life for themselves because profit motive makes people work harder than they would if everything is just handed to them.
Look at welfare recipients and unemployed people… There are unemployed landscapers turning down jobs because they would make the same or less actually working out in the hot sun than they do sitting on their ass collecting unemployment.
Well said Shinobi, but I’m sad to tell you that arguing truth and logic with “xener the wiener” is a complete waste of time. He’s a pansy from across the ocean who would rather live as a slave to the gov than allow anyone to think or live freely.
Yes, because “xener the wiener” is the most mature thing you could have possibly said as well as being a nationalistic, unknowledgeable tosspot. You call me a slave of my government? Who ISN’T? You want to live or think freely? Try anarchy. You’re just as much a slave as I am, more so actually. How do you like being experimented on without your knowledge?
You missed the entire point of my post and I don’t feel the need to explain it yet again.
Also, a lot of unemployed people are unemployed because they can’t GET a job for whatever reason. One of my friends has been through over a hundred applications and got nothing because of the world economic situation.
See I told you Shinobi, xener can’t get past his own personal issues(like a libtard friend not getting a job) to see that government control of *everything* is bad. He’d rather him and his pansy friends get that gov’ment check and play snooker at the pub all day long while folks who haven’t been fired or let go(the ones who are actually productive) are turned into slaves to feed these lazy bums…
You just take a post at random and edit the words around completely, don’t you?
Firstly, she’s not a libtard and loves to work but cannot get a job because there simply AREN’T any. Secondly, I hate snooker and I don’t go to the pub. Thirdly, you seriously think that EVERY unemployed person is unemployed just because they’re lazy, don’t you? Fourthly, you seriously think that EVERY person who is fired or let go was fired rightfully or let go because they weren’t productive, don’t you? Fifthly, you seriously think that EVERY person who disagrees with you must me the epitome of everything you hate, don’t you? You don’t know what my job is (though, by the way, I can tell you right now that my job is harder than anything you’ve ever done), you don’t know anything about me, yet you feel you have the ability to see exactly who and what I am without being ever being wrong. Well, here’s a newsflash: you are wrong. Troll.
shin0bi272 FTW
Not really. He completely missed the entire post.
You lose!
Fail, didn’t that national socialist country get crushed again, by the capitalist country across the pond? Go live in Cuba and report back to us on how great socialism is.
Double-posting fail. And secondly, did I say they won the war? No. No, I didn’t. As I said below, whether they won or not is entirely not the point. Fail for not realising that.
Actually the fact that they won show they had a superior system, and entirely the point. The better system wins hands down. Just as truth beats foolishness, shinObi272 is ftw and xener is for the FAIL.
LMAO! Yes, because the better idea/system ALWAYS wins! That’s the most absurd statement I’ve heard in a while. Go troll someone else now. The mild amusement you caused really is starting to grow to sheer boredom.
awww xener getting so pissed, all he gots is “troll” and “boredom” for back up. It just bugs him that his socialist ideals get shoved in the mud by the capitalist victories proven over and over. God forbid a nation of individuals do what’s best for themselves and end up having the most powerful country in the modern world and in less time that it took for europe to drag it’s medieval butt out of the dark ages. you have small man parts don’t you, xener? that totally explains the libtard fit. oh and shinObi272 still kicks your pansy ass with reason. Go figure.
Okay. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. Say you’re not a troll. Prove it. Until the first post you say something even mildly intelligent without “insulting” someone, I’m saying you’re a troll. I find it lacking so far, especially since you can’t even talk without resulting to “you have small man parts don’t you, xener”. Ooooh, DEADLY insult there. Bet that took you all of a minute to come up with. You also insult Europe on a constant basis, despite most of the American population originating from there. Need a history lesson? You also show a complete lack of capitalism. It cannot exist in our culture without being tempered by aspects of socialism, communism and more.
“It just bugs him that his socialist ideals get shoved in the mud by the capitalist victories proven over and over.”
No, what “bugged me” (though, really, I just laughed my arse off) was your assertion that the better idea will ALWAYS win. That is possibly the most ridiculous statement on this entire page. To quote ElemWiz two posts below, “Are you suggesting that capitalism was the chief reason the Germans lost the war?” Because, if you genuinely believe that, you’re a moron. If not, then you’re a troll. Which is it? I’m waiting for you to prove me wrong. Are you a troll or aren’t you? Make your move. Regardless, unless the next post shows a marvellous increase in your IQ score (including how to use English correctly), I’m done here.
…remember who won the War?
Are you suggesting that capitalism was the chief reason the Germans lost the war?
Entirely irrelevant. I’m not talking about the war. I’m talking about the speed that Germany actually had the economic and military capability to have even a miniscule chance (let alone the close call World War Two was) to win. Whether they won or lost doesn’t matter. What matters is how quickly they had the ability to start the war.
And all it took was the suppression of all freedoms, the attempted genocide of a perceived internal enemy, and skilled orator. Where does the line form to sign up? I doubt, given the benefits weighed against the drawbacks, anyone would really think the exchanges are worthwhile.
*rolls eyes* Again, you’re confusing the idea with a madman’s idea of it.
stop trying…
most capitalists have been brainwashed by mccarthyism during the cold war or by textbook bias to such a degree that communism and socialism are bad. end of story. (yet many capitalist nations have pieces of socialism embedded in them to make capitalism work, for example – NGOs, charities, child welfare)
stop trying…
most people living in capitalist nations have been brainwashed by mccarthyism or textbook bias to such an extent that the mention of communism or socialism brings about a knee-jerk reaction of “we love big brother Capitalism” despite the fact that most capitalist countries have forms of welfare (socialism), trade unions (communism) and charities (socialism) embedded in them to help keep the system from collapsing…
not confusing anything… socialism has been around since the dawn of time and it always led to some having everything and most having nothing. Mussolini started the whole national socialist idea and it got him killed too.
Again, you’re confusing the idea of something with a madman’s idea of it.
yes but Capitalism turned a country going through a great depression into a country that greatly assisted the rest of the world in winning a war in 2-6 years….in 3 theatres of war.
The Nazis *called* themselves socialists. But, were they, really?
Yes they were.
so basically what exists now?
And here I thought it was a Democrat / Republican thing.
Funny, I thought rich people were the only ones that hired anyone… I’ve never gotten a job from a poor person…
Maybe they’re just not that into you…
You’ve obviously never worked for the government.
Economics? Where? By the way, socialism is utopia.
That’s what communism was supposed to be. Nothing can ever be utopian, because every system is flawed. The definition of “utopia” is “an impractical or unrealistic scheme of perfection”, by the way.
And the economics part has to do with the money.
Sarcasm Fail.
I choose the capitalist red guy protecting his hard earned money from the socialists to his right. as for the left side, he only has his gun and his life so, i say self defense.
FTW!
hmmm so socialism blue guy gets shot by red guy because he wants the money. capitalism blue guy gets shot by rich red serial killer for no apparent reason.
I understand the point of the image; however, it is not right. the point is obviously not just a capitalism vs. socialism but about the extremist views of Democrat vs. Republican. for it to be “more” correct in socialism both red and blue would have a slightly smaller bag of money, meaning the portion of distribution, and the red still with a gun, because republicans love their 2nd amendment, hate being equal to anyone with different ideas, and are always unhappy because of their greed (also democrats are hippies without guns). while the second one about capitalism should have the the blue with a holding a couple of coins while the red has a huge bag still with the gun; reasoning is about the same. again its just an extremist idea about each side. i pick neither. because in both id lose. again i could just be pulling all this s**t out of my ass. =)
So much delicious stereotypes!
I like to describe it as this, “The person with the most destructive toy has the most money.” So if you just have your fist and a hundred dollars and the other guy has a gun and a penny… he has more money.
or to put it in another way; If Chuck Norris has five dollars and you have five dollars, Chuck Norris has five dollars.
It isn’t necessarily the biggest weapon, but the most power.
you mean 10 dollars!
Bull. Capitalism is all about working and enjoying the fruits of your own labor. Socialism is all about taking from those who work and giving it to those who don’t. It’s the Socialists who have the gun pointing at the wealthy, they take it and give it to those who did not earn it.
Understanding of socialism fail.
Socialism does not = government hand outs.
It pretty much does.
*facepalm*
what happens when economics meets todays world..sad but true!
I’ll stick to capitalism. I don’t like it, but I like socialism less than capitalism.
socialism the way for people, who don’t want to work, to get money.
Welcome to the idiocy the public school system is churning out.
Thank you for proudly displaying your commitment to the kool-aid and absolute rejection of reality, kiddies. It makes it SO much easier to mock you
so so true
Has no one on the internet read Animal Farm?
For you clueless ppl saying your the Red, its basically saying that the normal people like you and I are the Blue while the Red is the rich bastards f***ing us over in the government. Atleast with Socialism we actually have money, opposed to in Capitalism where the government f***s us out of like 90% (exaggeration) of it.
Please read a book, this is one of the dumbest posts I have seen on here.
In true (libertarian) capitalism, there are either no taxes or minimal taxers, therefore your argument is invalid
AHAHA is this guy serious?? This has GOT to be sarcasm! “Atleast with Socialism we actually have money” Oh man….thats hilarious! Study up on Socialism man.
ignorance FAIL.
srsly dude.
that’s not what socialism is.
that’s the capitalist portrayal of socialism.
wow, this is actually genius!
Somebody doesn’t know how capitalism works…
If the capitalist in this nation went on strike, this nation would crumble and implode.
John and Ellis, I’m so relieved to have finally found Galt’s Gulch!
I’m chosing socialism (describe by socialists). All other options are pretty f***ed up, everyone has a gun in there: http://incredimazing.com/static/media/2009/09/30/N2xcd/n2xcd.png
socialism never works, because of one factor. Human beings. SOMEBODY has to run everything, and that somebody will always make sure they get more than their share. At lease with capitalism everyone gets a shot, fair or not.
the capitalism by capitalists was really funny especially considering how farcical it is.
red vs blue?
This one is major fail. Capitalism, at the very least, comes with a choice.
That’s the entire point of the “socialism” one. They choice is removed.
If you think capitalism comes with a choice, then I pray for your soul.
No you won’t, you’re a socialist and likely atheist.
So… Socialists can’t be religious? Does that make it a non-prophet organization?
Ouch… that was just awful…
If you think Socialism is the answer to all your problems, then you may want to read up on the subject.
agreed
And they wonder why the American economy collapsed…
Please tell me you don’t actually believe this.
Socialism has never worked in any country it has been tried in either as a whole system of government or socialist programs. The only way socialism “works” is in a dictatorship where the people are controlled by fear.
Have a Nice Day!!
So… You pave your own roads, deliver your own mail and put out your own fires?
It’s called private construction, UPS or FEDEX, and a garden hose/ house insurance. Don’t need the gov’mnt dearie, if I’m prepared.
sooo when they charge you ridiculous prices, what then?
Find a company willing to give me a better rate, and hope the government doesn’t regulate that too, like trying to buy health insurance out of state, BA BAM!!
I get another quote. Do it every day.
if I’m a smart shopper I choose the best plan with the lowest price, creating competition. If retarded guv’ment wasn’t involved with retarded regulation, healthy conpetition would not allow for overpricing. Again, the libtards fail to see the common sense in this truth.
Until the concept of “cartel” comes into play. The beauty/flaw of capitalism is that anyone can manipulate the market(s) to benefit them and them alone, if they’re smart enough, ruthless enough and apathetic enough. Then the totally subjective concept of “fair” comes into play, and I haven’t met a human being yet that didn’t think that they weren’t screwed by someone or some organization at some point in their lives and didn’t want what was “fair” in return.
If they charge ridiculous prices, no one will buy from them…a competitor will get the deal instead. That is the beauty of capitalism and the free market…it naturally works. When you throw in a load of government regulations is when it starts to fail.
…Like when “rival” cable companies rolled in and divided my town into “coverage areas” to make sure there was no real competition for service.
Capitalism thnx.
As a capitalist, I WILL SHOOT anyone who tried to take my hard earned money. F-ck barry hussien and his “enough money” bs. He says that because he’s already got it.
You said “As a capitalist…” I think the phrase you meant to use was “As a trigger-happy moron”. There… I fixed it for you. No charge. (unless you object to “socialist” hand-outs)
typical libtard, your version of “fix” is to write something stupid and pretend you’re witty. Looking forward to the day some socialist mugger decides to force your hand out and you don’t have anyone “trigger-happy” around to protect your dumbass…
Trigger-happy morons always think they are going to save the day.
well it won’t be the socialist hippy cowering in the corner now, will it?
And there you have it, folks! shimauma falls under the trigger-happy morons category for believing that only people with guns can possibly “save the day.”
there you have folks! xenon is the coward hippy in the corner thinking hugs will solve everything…hope someone films your reaction when your euro trip is ruined by a bus bomber and puts it on youtube; you’ll wish there was someone around who could aim and fire…
Nope. I believe that guns are useful for some things. I just don’t think the average civilian should have them because the average civilian is a moron. Still, if I had a choice between hugging someone and making peace with them, whether an individual or a country, or shooting them to death, give me even one good reason I should kill them.
xenon said, “give me even one good reason I should kill them.” How about because they are taking your valuables, destroying all you hold dear, and threatening to murder you, moron? Just because you consider yourself too much of an average moron to handle a weapon doesn’t mean everyone else is, bub
Nope. I’ve handled guns and fired them. The difference is, I’d think before I turned it on a living being.
“they are taking your valuables”
They are? What do you consider valuable? I consider life to be pretty valuable, you know.
“destroying all you hold dear”
Same thing.
“threatening to murder you”
If they attack first I’ll defend myself. If they attack someone else, I’ll defend them. However, I won’t kill them unless I have absolutely no other option and I definitely won’t kill simply because they’re there. Chances are, they’d be more than happy to be on their way without hurting you.
Nothing you’ve said is a good reason to kill. Good reason to incapacitate, maybe, but not kill. Also, I’d love to know your stance on what to do about other countries that even look SLIGHTLY threatening. Given your blatant disregard of life and your ignoring of cause-and-effect (cause: you just fire a gun instinctively no matter what the situation, effect: you murdered someone without knowing their motives or their reasoning behind them (you could have shot a person with a head injury who thought they were in their own home and broke through a window, trying to call an ambulance. Maybe they were desperate to feed a drug addiction which may not even be their choice. Maybe they were forced to do it by someone else. Regardless of the situation, you’ll never know the intent if you shoot first ask questions later)), I’m willing to bet it’s a bomb them first chance you get?
Oh, also, I live in England. No civilian can legally own a gun (except gamekeepers). Even police and soldiers aren’t allowed to carry them when they’re off-duty. And guess how few major shootings there are?
The recent Cumbria shootings? Worst mass shooting in Britian since 1996 (and the Dunblane massacre had more deaths as well) and the only other two I can name happened before that too (the Hungerford massacre (1987) and the Monkseaton shootings (1989).
Lack of guns has kept us relatively safe. Look at the shootings of similar calibre in countries where guns are legal. None of the ones that I am aware of were stopped by some plucky civilian.
xenon said “Oh, also, I live in England.”
LOL! This explains a lot. Tard, you just completely ruined your whole premise. Virginia Tech shootings? Ended by a plucky civilian with a gun. Home robberies and beatings of elderly women? Just check out this month’s American Hunter Magazine and you’ll note several of these that were stopped by plucky civilians with guns. While your country is being over-run by sharia law, the communist elements in the current US administration stomp their feet and whine about how they can’t pass laws to disarm the populace. As Thomas Jefferson once said, “Those who beat their guns into plows will soon be plowing for those who haven’t.” We’ve become the most technically advanced country in the world because the populace, plucky civilians, refused to let the government run their lives. Only recently with the ignorant election of a socialist idealogue have our freedoms been threatened and by GOD, those who think they will disarm us will NOT prevail. Have fun cowering in londinistan, moron.
Aww, now you’re being nationalistic AND quoting bulls**t. *patpat* There’s a good troll. Have a cookie.
Virginia Tech? The “plucky civilian with a gun” wouldn’t happen to be the perpetrator who committed suicide, would it?
“Home robberies and beatings of elderly women? Just check out this month’s American Hunter Magazine and you’ll note several of these that were stopped by plucky civilians with guns.”
Just check out everything ever and you’ll note crimes of all shapes and sizes can be and have been and will be stopped without guns.
“While your country is being over-run by sharia law,”
Check your sources. People keep smacking that down.
“the communist elements in the current US administration stomp their feet and whine about how they can’t pass laws to disarm the populace.”
…??? Okay, I fail to see how guns have an impact on sharia law or… well… anything you just said was connected at all.
“As Thomas Jefferson once said, “Those who beat their guns into plows will soon be plowing for those who haven’t.””
Check that too. He never said that. Urban legend. It’s actually unattributed.
“We’ve become the most technically advanced country in the world”
Honestly, I think Japan could give you a run for your money (especially since you had a head-start after their lack of enonomy after WWII). Also, so what? Wow, you have technology! Ooh! Aah!
“Only recently with the ignorant election of a socialist idealogue have our freedoms been threatened and by GOD, those who think they will disarm us will NOT prevail.”
Yes, because socialism is a bad thing… try learning about it sometime, McCarthy.
Oh, the fact that I disagree with YOU makes me the troll?? Screw you, xenonl, you’ve totally outted yourself for the ignorant punk you are. You live under a socialist regime yourself, and you’re fully dedicated to the idea that you’ll be one of the last eaten by the crocodile if you don’t stand up for truth. Like I said, when the bus bombers sit next to you, make sure to offer them a nice hug before they push the button.
No, the fact that you’re a troll makes you a troll (or a really stubborn idiot). For example, I like how you don’t actually answer any of my points. Okay, you know what socialism is? Charities are socialism. Bet you don’t complain about them. Health care to everyone, not just those that can afford it, is socialism. If you complain about that (complain about the way it’s handled, sure), you’re just plain stupid. Also, again, America has more terrorist acts commited on it’s soil. Secondly, the bus bomber? Maybe a sniper round to the head is what they need. On the other hand, maybe a single act of kindness is all that would be required to stop them. You also presume that they won’t just stand up and detonate. Most would because a bus is easy to escape from. Guns won’t help you if you never see the problem.
no tard, I didn’t answer your points because they’re stupid. I don’t argue your points because you are obviously too retarded to understand the truth. You called me a troll because I disagree with you about the country *I* live in and the laws *I* agree with. That’s a bit hypocritical on your part.
As far as terrorist acts committed in the US, I bet Israel would disagree with you. As far as charities being socialism, you are completely retarded since with socialism, citizens don’t get a CHOICE of who they are giving to. Healthcare is NOT a right, never has been. I don’t agree with socialize medicine, no one who works for their money should. YOU continue to prove to be a tard whose mind cannot be taught. Go find your bus bomber and hug him.
“You called me a troll because I disagree with you about the country *I* live in and the laws *I* agree with.”
Says the person who thinks Europe is populated with people who bomb buses.
“As far as terrorist acts committed in the US, I bet Israel would disagree with you.”
Israel isn’t in England, the country I was talking about. I also believe they are legally allowed to own guns.
“As far as charities being socialism, you are completely retarded since with socialism, citizens don’t get a CHOICE of who they are giving to.”
They don’t with charities either. They have no idea where the money truly goes. Even if they did, it’s still a form of socialism.
“Healthcare is NOT a right, never has been.”
Then you can’t call yourself civilised if you believe people who can’t afford healthcare for whatever reason shouldn’t be allowed it.
“Go find your bus bomber and hug him.”
Go visit Europe and find me a bus bomber. You’ll find none.
No bus bombers in europe??? 7/11 dumbass??? that big one that happened in spain on the subway(a train underground)??? and as much as you stomp your feet you still can’t call healthcare a right anymore than you can call dentistry a right. see doctors PAY to go to college and then they are supposed to be paid for their skills. If a few of them are kind enough to allow their skills to be used for charity, well thats fine, it’s their business to do that(a charity see, NOT FORCED)
You continue to prove yourself a tard with your stupid commentary. Go talk to Huffpo, you’ll fit right in.
*laughing my arse off*
You SERIOUSLY think that doctors don’t get paid when healthcare is free? You’re more of an idiot than I thought (especially since you can’t use the reply button).
no bus bombings in europe?? what about britian’s 7/7, dumbass??? how about that subway that got blown up in spain, tard??? deluded libtard, you think healthcare should be run by the government???
You know I’m so glad we finally got back around to the topic; why capitalism is better than socialism. Capitalism supports CHOICE. A happy capitalist is a generous person and since most conservatives support capitalism, let me point out a study and published author of “Who Really Cares” by Arthur C Brooks(on amazon). This guy was pretty much a raging libtard, but was fair enough to print the truth and found out that conservatives give more time, blood and money than libtards who support socialism. A conservative capitalist doctor will CHOOSE to donate his time to help people. A libtard government employed doctor under the boot of socialism will feel inclined to do as little as possible because he is actually a slave forced to work for the government. THAT is why you cannot have government involved in healthcare, because what you are going to get is a bureaucracy instead of help. That’s why you continue to remain a tard. I bet you’re an IB student….
You know, I’m not a fan of socialism either, but xenon got you on the VT thing. And I take it that a happy conservative would be someone like, say, Glenn Beck? The guy who fires people for giving him the wrong colored pen. yeah. IMO, Capitalism is great but would actually work today if the country completely broke down and everyone lost everything they had then started over. I say that because the people that praise it now have most of the money already because of being born into certain wealthy families or knowing members of those families thus turning it into a glorified good old boy network. No one gets a chance anymore. Our economy is in the toilet because of a wealthy conservative president who he, along with his buddies ,passed laws to benefit the other wealthy people who didn’t create jobs, just kept all the money for themselves and the fact that business owners decided to fire a a lot of people just to make up for measly 4% tax increase that they could easily pay but didn’t want to because they think they are achievers that should never struggle. And thanks to one of those people and their love of condos that they really can’t afford, I’m out of a job and no one is hiring. Oh and I get out there and look for work everyday and I’m not on food stamps because I choose not to be. So I’ll ask, Where are all these compassionate conservatives I hear so much about. I would really like a job instead of the having no other option than the government taking care of me. (phew, I had to get that off my chest. Job hunting time!)
@da’ve you wrote you’re assessment of capitalism assuming that only the wealthy are capitalists. I’m here to tell you that most of the folks in the Tea Party aren’t anywhere near wealthy, including myself. The book “Who Really Cares” by liberal writer Arthur Brooks, has documented straight up that Conservatives donate more time, BLOOD and money than libtards to charitable causes. Conservatives give to Red Cross and The Salvation Army more, they give more to their churches, they perform more services for the needy than libtards. If you can’t find any conservatives helping out where you are, you need to get out of your mom and dad’s basement and quit smoking that crack. Maybe when your head clears up, your vision will too.
People who identify themselves as conservatives donate money to charity more often than people who identify themselves as liberals. They donate more money and a higher percentage of their incomes.
It is not that conservatives have more money. Liberal families average 6 percent higher incomes than conservative families. According to Professor Brooks: “If liberals and moderates gave blood at the same rate as conservatives, the blood supply of the United States would jump about 45 percent.”
this article is from realclearpolitics articles 200 slash 11 slash who really cars
There IS no reply button on any of your last statements, asshat. Anyway, doctors that get paid by the government sure as hell don’t get compensated for their trade as much doctors in private practice do, or why do you think they all come to the US to train and practice, dumbass? And you’ve got nothing for the fact that capitalist- practicing gun-carrying conservatives have been proven to be more generous than whiny cowardly socialist pissing libtards.
We give more blood because most of us live a clean life and use less drugs than libtards(thus avoiding blood transmitted disease); we give more time because we don’t waste it on protesting environmental and social bs, and we give more money because we work hard rather than leeching off the government or our parents as most libtards do.
Your responses grow more and more pitiful xenon. Your thought process is as plausible as the scientology god you’ve named yourself after.
That’s “Xenu.” Xenon is an element. The reply button is the last one above mine (i.e. yours).
Also, my Wikipedia days are rising again and I’m going to slap a big [citation needed] over your entire post.
your responses don’t show ANY reply buttons, and I give a complete CRAP what you do with wikipedia. If the best you can come up with is using a questionable dictionary site to whine your complaints to, I’m betting you don’t have much of a life anyway. Go love on your 7/7 bus bomber, xigfreid…
“your responses don’t show ANY reply buttons”
Understanding fail. Try reading for once. It was a fairly simple statement.
“I give a complete CRAP what you do with wikipedia.”
Also understanding fail. I was stating that, if you say things like what you’re saying, have the courtesy to, you know, back them up with hard facts, from an unbiased source.
“using a questionable dictionary site”
LOL. You may want to check a dictionary as to the difference between a “dictionary” and an “encyclopaedia.” You may also want to check how Wikipedia works because it’s accurate more often than not.
“Go love on your 7/7 bus bomber”
And once again, you speak bull. 7/7 is the only case of a bus bombing in my entire lifetime and for a long time before that I am aware of.
Uhh. There are lots of misunderstanding here, I guess. Guys. Socialism does not kill anyone, socialism is trying to be a righteous system, which exists for people. What you were talking about was socialist dictatorship. A regime with much aggression, pain and fear. There are possibilities. People can lead their nation, their country in many ways. And it can be led in a right and also in a wrong way.
Capitalism is not good. Socialism neither. In socialism people have to do, what the gov. says. F*** that. In capitalism people have to do, what the rich men says. Why? Because there are no other options. That’s all.
Really? No rich man has ever told me what to do. I buy what I like and when I please. It’s the government that’s usually telling me what I can and can’t do.
Where is this “rich guy”?? I have never met him before…he’s telling people what to do?
How about your boss?
“In capitalism, we have to do what the rich man says.” I’m sorry, but we do our jobs that are provided by the upper management (aka rich men) and get paid for it, we can quit if we don’t want to.
You people make socialism sound like a god-sent govt. but you have absolutely no clue how our capitalism actually works.
I’d argue that socialism and capitalism are not opposites.
Capitalism is freedom. Socialism is tyranny. Your argument is misinformed.
Socialism is tyranny. Capitalism is a different kind of tyranny …but, one that you maybe can game a piece of for yourself.
Sweden, where people are living in a socialist nightmare! LOL.
watch:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-april-21-2009/the-stockholm-syndrome-pt–1
As funny as this is, I hope everyone gets that it’s a joke. That goes for all the numbers as well as the part about the bearded gnomes.
Our women, however, are indeed quite statuesque and beatiful.
Yeah…”The health care is free”, just pay 70% income tax
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A) It’s The Daily Show. I.e. satire. B) Learn about it, please, before you make stupid comments. The tax taken for healthcare is negligible.
You sir, have failed to understand the principles of capitalism. Your apathetic and ignorant post is invalid.
All I have to say is in response to the common, yet inaccurate aphorism that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Historically speaking, in capitalist countries, the richer and poor have both gotten richer, albeit at different rates based on investment capability and decisions
Your name annoys me, sir, and yet your logic smells of roses and ice cream.
HOORAY for common sense! YOU sir are brilliant.
i will look into this argument
I love satire. I hope nobody has gotten into an economical argument over this, but I no it’s already happened
I live in Sweden, which (like most of our Scandinavian neighbors) has been a Socialist country for the past 70 years.
The right wing parties have been in control on 3 separate occasions, all of which ended in financial meltdown and mass confusion.
Feel free to check up on any numbers regarding Sweden’s success as a Socialist country.
You Republicans will most likely deny it, perhaps be quite unable to comprehend it.
And you Democrats, know that the so-called left wing politics that you now sport in the US really isn’t what we would call Socialism – but it’s definitely a step forward.
Give a Obama a few more years, elect another Democrat after him and I promise you that you will find yourself living in a far better country in every imaginable way. Hey, who knows, the rest of the world might even start to like you better.
We don’t want to be like you. Glad it works for you guys but there is a reason our ancestors braved some of the worst conditions in the north Atlantic to get away from Europe. Having a free market and the ability to become successful in this country is part of our heart and soul. If Socialism comes to the states, we should stop using “The American Dream” in our vocabulary. As far as the world liking us more, Socialism will just ADD to the stereotype of being “fat and lazy”.
*cough*The American Delusion*cough*
what he said ^
Yeah, the socialist country of Greece is really showing how having the government pay all their pensions is working out…*cough* ponzi scheme *ahem*
Like the capitalist American corporate pensions of Enron?
I didn’t invest in Enron, it didn’t affect me, but when I pay taxes, and I’m forced to pay the pensions of a bunch of inefficient gov’ment workers, that’s where the crime of socialism is fully realized, and when you have more gov’ment workers than hard working tax payers, then you have slavery of people forced to pay more and more in taxes. Socialism continues to remain as big a sham as a ponzi scheme.
i have read every single comment on this page. I have one thing to say: All people in the world are morons. since capitalism and socialism are both human creations, they are both going to fail at some time or another.
oh, and btw, lighten up, its a joke!
Congratulations! You have successfully hit the nail on the head!
we have a winner!
I believe this is to be interpreted as, panel one: “Give it back or I’ll shoot you,” and two: “Try and take it and I’ll shoot you.”
An excellent post good sir.
For those here that are trying to make the argument that one system is better than the other, you are obviously missing the point. Indeed, I don’t think many people here understand what either ‘capitalism’ (evil blood-sucking corporate pigs stealing my money) or ‘socialism’ (evil bureaucrats stealing my money and giving it to undeserving smelly hobos) actually means. The United States and most of its politicians are not an a pure example of either. Both systems have their problems when implemented, and experience has shown that they work best together. Hence, Social Capitalism, which most countries on the planet follow to some degree – except the stupid ones.
Excellently said, Matt.
So in all the posts I have been reading it would seem that this is a never ending power struggle.
But is there a system that would work for all ?
I am in favor for enjoying the fruits of your labor but helping others is not a bad thing no?
@ anonymous It’s one thing when I can choose who and how much to give charity to. It’s completely different when the government decides how much they are taking from hard working tax payers to give to those who refuse to work. It’s already been proven that conservatives donate more time, blood, and money that libtards, and since most conservatives favor capitalism, that tells me which system obviously works better.
What I’m hearing from a lot of people in these comments is that they’d prefer to see the government take taxpayer money and invest it in big, failing corporations rather than in improving social systems for the entire populace. That’s what has happened with the corporate bailouts.
It’s okay with you to give the rich people billions of dollars when they start to fail because of their own gross negligence? Doesn’t that completely contradict your disgust at the government giving money to poor people for such reasons as them being lazy? Or do you honestly believe that it’s better to give money to the rich just to keep them rich than it is to give money to the poor to try and improve their lives?
The government shouldn’t be giving money to ANYONE. It should be building roads and protecting the border at the very most and everything else should be privatized, that includes medical, schooling, car building, food production, charity(should be completely in the hands of churches), insurance, real estate, and so forth. If all these things were privatized, they would be competing and prices would be much lower for all of it. Because of big government and it’s bailouts to it’s company cronies(hello GoldmanSachs) taxpayers are made to cover the costs of all the backroom deals with high prices. I am so looking forward to the next couple elections….
it is not the governments job to help the poor or the rich, this is why I hate so many people today remember “ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country” everyone keeps going to the govt. looking for a handout, but that’s not how it should go. most conservatives hate bailouts (to both companies and individuals), the government is for building roads, defense, and education, not medicine.
Looks like somebody needs to read Hayek’s The Road to Serfdom.
Ha ha…funny poster, funny stuff. It’s interesting to read all these comments. The problem is we pay for things we don’t need in excess (like WAR) and underfund things we do need (like EDUCATION). Until free enterprise businesses are not allowed to lobby the government for funding and tax “incentives”, we will continue to underserve the people of this country. I’m moving to Canada.
Too late, the corruption of US politics is already here and they replaced our Prime Minister with Stephen Harper.
It is a mass delusion that we “underfund” education. The USA spends more than just about any other country, but our education system is poorly run and our demographics are worsening. Trendy ed-school fads like the “whole language” method and focusing on “self-esteem” remain popular despite producing poor results, and teachers unions resist any change that might increase accountability or produce better results while lobbying for ever more bloated salaries and benefits. New York City and Washington DC spend the most per student of any districts in the US, and have the worst results. The problems we have with education cannot be solved by throwing more money at them.
By the way, I’m also in favor of cutting our military spending but your opinions on lobbying are out of touch with reality. As long as there is 4 trillion a year coming out of Washington, special interests will find ways to get their hands on it. The only way to reduce this graft is to drastically reduce government spending, especially at the state and federal levels.
TL;DR version: Neither works on its own, both are needed
I’m thinking that the overall message of the poster is that both systems are, in their purest form, f***ed up. In socialism, the government takes your money and gives it to people you couldn’t care less about or otherwise inconveniences you (extremely general term, covers everything from increased taxes to gulag).
In raw capitalism (by which I mean a purely laissez faire type deal, free market with 0 restrictions), the rich are consistently manipulating the cycle to make themselves richer. Look, for instance, at the Gilded Age (late 1800s) in American history-systematic exploitation of both the labor and the consumer by trusts. They neutralize the “invisible hand” of the free market by ruthlessly crushing any competition.
Thus, clearly, since neither pure socialism or capitalism truly works out for the, well, people (couldn’t think of a better phrase) a blend is called for-a mix of the inherent potential for self-advancement in a capitalist system, balanced by a degree of “socialist” government involvement to ensure that the system is not abused. It’s a tough line to walk, and it moves around quite frequently, requiring constant adjustments.
And that’s not even touching on the effect of various government types. Oy vey.
I think this right here is the best explanation I’ve seen so far. Capitalism in and of its self will screw many over in the end, but so will socialism. The thing is that it’s easier to tend towards Socialism once the government starts stepping in. As I was once taught in school, “If you start at point A and never want to get to point B, then don’t start going to point B because you never know if you’ll be under control once things start moving” Point B in this case being a socialistic government that has to much say over everything.
In a perfect world Socialism works, but we are far from a perfect world which is why it’s better to put your trust in a system like capitalism which is fairly neutral and harder to control. It to has it’s downfalls however, which is why we have to start going towards point B.
The only solution that works (or I believe so at least) is to have the People be the ones that fill in the Socialistic gap, not the government. For every rich greedy jerk in the world there is also a rich kind person. While some screw you over there are many many people that use their wealth to help the less fortunate. That’s why it’s a bad idea to scream for rich’s heads on a plate, because then all we’ll do is get rid of the ones that want to help, keep the ones that want to screw us over (they’ll be the ones with more money and have a better stability to not tumble down the economic ladder), and increase the governments control of us, and then we start going to Point B.
the red guy is the one with the most power in each circumstance, the one with the money, or the one controlling the flow of the money.
Uh, slight difference. The capitalist with the gun would go to prison for armed robbery. The socialist would simply run for re-election, and 90 percent of black people would vote for him.
Rich, poor, I’m the guy with the gun
this is sum straight bulls**t
Half of these comments = Too long. Did not read.
+1
SERIOUSLY people.
Its a Demotivational poster, a political satire.
Dont turn it into a declaration of political warfare!
Arguing politics on the internet isnt gona change politics in real life.
The whole post is missing the point of the Marxist system, the ideal path of government is as follows:
Bourgeoisie take all money from working class ->
rebellion by working class ->
Socialist Dictatorship created, it is not the end government it is merely created in order to set up the “utopia” that is communism ->
Dictator steps down in power once everyone knows what they must do to work towards the common good ->
The end is communism where everyone is doing what they have to to support the population as a whole, there is no government, no greed, no anything that would create laziness or redistribution of wealth, there is no concept of money at all (something similar to the Twelve Tribes community).
Xenon’s response to many comments is that the regimes of Stalin or Hitler are flawed creations by madmen. He argues that the paper version of socialism is better because X, Y and, Z. This is completely fine, however when put into practice the Marxist cycle has usually been dominated by a “strong man” and has then collapsed. This is why socialism can never be “better” if it is, time and again, taken over by a dictator who never steps down in power, then the paper version is flawed as well. The natural course is to change the paper and set up checks and balances and guess what! The end result is Democracy!
On the subject of the economies of the two forms of government:
The “ideal” Capitalism is completely market regulated
The “ideal” Socialism is completely government controlled
In practice both are indeed flawed, and in order to actually create a working economy, a mixture of both is required (America’s “Capitalism”, however would be better served with slightly less regulation is some aspects and more in others). If we want to trace this farther both definitions are almost always twisted to support a particular side to the argument = wrong on both sides.
In conclusion, America = Win. We beat King George III, Bismark, Hitler, Hirohito, and now are working on the Taliban.
P.S. Didn’t you guys want to drop the apostrophe in “The King’s Cross” because you couldn’t figure out that a singular king owned a singular cross? Talk about your average moron.
GO SOCIALISM
TYT ARMY
capitalism is much better than socialism because you are free to make money however you want. socialism, on the other hand, is where everybody is the same class and you can’t make any money. who agrees?
socialism makes everyone a slave to the ones who work the least. At least with capitalism, my hard work pays ME not them.
So I guess when you are old enough to receive Medicare, you will refuse to use it, and refund your SS payments back to the government?
There won’t BE medicare when I’m old; the demtards spent it all on welfare and their own salaries. They are paying medicare right now on borrowed money from China. No one in their 40′s right now will be able to retire because of the mess the progressives in government have made of our economy. Btw, why do you think I should refund MY OWN MONEY BACK TO THE LEFTARD GOVERNMENT!?! idiot…
Because Medicare and Social Security are the biggest socialist programs in the United States. If you’re really so bent about being a capitalist, and to hell with all socialists, then I would think you would refuse to take part in any socialist program.
Look, ‘tard, I’m fairly certain Medicare and Social security are going to be gone(ie bankrupt) when I’m old, so your villification of my point of view is completely a moot point. Having been FORCED to pay taxes, I would LOVE to get my money back, but, not at the expense of my hard working taxpaying children or some stranger’s hard working taxpaying children, because free human beings shouldn’t be forced to pay for other people’s age or lack of finances; since I’ll be working until I DIE, none of your rhetorical criticism makes any difference and you sir can go f**k yourself on your welfare check.
look ‘tard your rhetorical criticism is a moot point because there won’t be medicare or social security when I’m old. I’ll be working until I DIE, asswipe. I would love to get back any money I’ve been forced to pay into barry hussiens socialist government, but not at the expense of my hardworking, taxpaying children or anyone else’s. You can choke on your welfare check it you like.
keep throwin insults. its the only ground you have left to stand on you ignoramous.
thats communism dude
The U.S. isn’t a purely capitalist country you dips, we have stuff like welfare and charities, that’s where stop understanding it.
Pure capitalism is a fail, that’s why we don’t use it.
Pure socialism is a fail, but people still try to use it.
Learn about the mixture of systems most countries have before you bash a country because of its ‘primary’ focus.
I pick capitalism—-because the proletariat ain’t gonna oppress itself, pal.
Plus, I like money and power, and hearing the cries of the plebes.
“, I like money and power, and hearing the cries of the plebes.”
Then you need to become a “community organizer” and join the demoncrap party.
It just means in socialism, the rich get a hard time, while in capitalism, the poor get trampled into the dirt.
you are so full of s**t. In socialism, the one who works the least pulls everyone down in the dirt. In Capitalism, the one who trys the hardest may get somewhere other than where the lazy people hang out. You can’t be trampled in the dirt if you make your own way, f**ktard.
definetily socialism
Socalism works for canada
Social Democracy is the best system…..Scandinavian countries are the proof
Wow, look at what I started.
To be clear, I voted Libertarian last election, and GREED is the only similarity I wanted to show in BOTH systems. Not liberal or conservative, left or right, or even red or blue.
Just pure greed in both systems. Neither lives with out it.
That’s the way it works, Damn. SOMEBODY has to creat this wealth. Socialists forget that spreading wealth around, doesn’t creat wealth. You can sorta liken it to the teach a man to fish story, while Capitalists are the ones who know how to fish….
Door #3 is communism. All the crotches are held by the People. And, the kickings are distributed according to need.
door number 3 is an anarchy, and you just got shot by Somalians, I would recommend door number 1.8.
“Creating wealth” just means piling more of it around yourself. (which is FINE) But, it’s got to come from somewhere.