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How long does it take ususally for a demotivational poster to get approved?
Apparently, in no-time… and no time to think about the offended public
If you’re offended by this, then you deserve immediate death.
That offends me.
I’m offended.
British (yes that’s a pic of the British Army) don’t have a border patrol. Hence places like Bradford.
How can you tell they’re British Harry?
because he’s a wizard o’course
and?
you think someone actually gives a s**t?
Satire is not your forte, is it?
Welcome to the interwebz
Hey, there is this place called the internet where no one gives a s**t if your offended.
*you’re
If you’re offended, try sneaking into Mexico or Venezuela… or Iran. Then come back (when they release you from prison) and tell us how unfair the United States is.
“Fair” is a relative term. But when attempting to be the best of all nations, one must measure one’s self against other nations of the same caliber. “We’re not as unfair as Iran” is not a sufficient argument.
Batman is riding an elephant. Your argument is invaled.
Batman approves of IDKFA’s coment. This also makes your argument invaled.
Batman is refuring to Batman in third-person. All of your arguments, from now to eternity, are invaled
* referring
If you don’t like it try living there or living where you have to speak a forign language in your own country to get any communication going!!!!!!!! Look if you live in AMERICA THE BEAUTIFUL speak the language or go back to where you came from!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU
Sounds like you wanna petition that English actually be made into America’s official language. As is, we don’t have such a mandate.
This country was built up from the ground on the backs of immigrants. Well, immigrants and slaves, but bringing up slavery is a whole lot like bringing up Nazis.
This country was also built up from the ground with the English language. The Declaration Of Independence is written in what language again? English. Our leaders speak what language again? English. What does the majority of the country speak? English. Why should we be forced to learn a foreign language to understand foreigners in our own country? >_>
… and what’s the nationality of the crew in that picture? English. But the English don’t have a border patrol. Hence places like Bradford.
Interesting, how can you tell these are brits?
but slaves were not led by hitler. lol jk…..wait not what i meant!!
And where did English originate?
ENGLAND, idiot
You are speaking a foreign language too, not just Mexicans and other immigrants
Technically it originated in North Western Europe. The language of English is Germanic (n.b. NOT German) in origin. If you mean where did the English spoken by Americans come from then yes, it came from England; but the answer to your exact question of ‘…where did English originate?’ is in fact North Western Europe.
English: -
Old English: Scandinavian and Norman
Middle English: Anglo-Norman and Old English
Modern English: Latin and Greek
Those are the key languages over all, the language now referred to as ‘English’ is Modern English, Thus the question Essentially should have read:
‘…Where did Modern English Originate?’
Which is why I speak Texan yall.
FIRST!
FAIL~~~
with one of those there wouldnt be no mexicans in USA
And leave ourselves with no tacos? That’s madness!
Madness?
THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
300 quotes- their getting as old as chuck norris jokes
Im sure they will jaja, I suppose you mean illegals, not all mexicans
If they’re legal immigrants, they’re Americans… so… Mexicans would only be here on a visa…
They’d still call themselves Mexican. Like those idiots who’ve been here for 8 generations still call themselves Irish.
“You’re American, Retard”
Let’s continue a trend where idiots use double negatives. It ain’t like there isn’t a reason to not do it. (TRIPLE FTW)
it would take alot of men and hummers… is it really worth it?
well gosh durn dang ol’ dagnabbit! If ‘Merica had one of them there borders like up them there, then there wouldnt be no dang ol’ Mexicans in ‘Merica, and ALL of your social problems revolving around you being a hopeless mess of a redneck s**tbag would be solved right?
LEEEEEEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOY JENKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINSSSSSS *drops dead*
amazingness ahahaha
Win!
*stares at the now active border patrol locked onto his WOW party*
*silence*
OH FUC-
*obliterated by the hail of bullets*
Goddammit, Leroy.
Least I have chicken.
I could pass them…… alive
with one of those GI joe suits, yeah, you could…
cause ur a mexican xD
That’s supposed to be a joke? I guess it might be funny for someone like you. Poor thing
If I’m Guatemalan does that count as Mexican?
mexican, peruvian, guatemalan, chilean, everything that is brown and speaks spanish or chewed english shall be considered Mexican in America, cholo.
WHOOT!! I *wish* our borders had that kind of protection. This would be something I wouldn’t mind my tax money being spent on. VIVA LA SB1070!!!
Yes, because to solve the illegal immigration problem, we need to spend more money than the problem actually causes ;D
Though, I guess that is one way of caring for our unemployed veterans.
So you’re saying that SB1070 will cost us (Arizona) over 1.5 BILLION dollars a year? Highly doubtful.
On a second note, regarding the picture, this is just a small portion of Chuck Norris’s toy box when he was growing up.
Each individual person who was just taking jobs, but is now thrown in jail, is costing more money than they were just being around. If you’re really suffering 1.5 billion per year, then yeah, it’ll just grow if all you do is shove people into jail. But the real problem for Arizona is how they’re going to decimate their economy by forcing legal immigrants out due to fear of the inevitable racial profiling.
Well you know that each individual that is caught that is illegal is going to be fined at least $500 for the first offense…That will recoup some of the money that we are ‘spending’ on these illegals.
And secondly, what liberals and liberal states/cities don’t realize, is that if you boycott Arizona and the cities within, the trickle down effect it will have will be country wide. We are a UNITED STATES, we all function off one another and when one state fails it will take it’s toll on all states. Good job San Francisco….
And why is it such a big deal about Arizona enforcing a law that the Federal govt. itself won’t enforce. That would be like not enforcing the law against robbing a bank or committing murder…
Hey, I’m all for fining illegal immigrants. That just makes it a tax on illegal immigration. I’m just not for laws that essentially *mandate* racial profiling, and allow citizens to basically act out their vitriol by accuse the police department of not being proactive enough.
And yeah, we’re united states, but that doesn’t mean those of us who favor civil liberties are going to just stand by and let crap happen. Well, we are, but that’s because we’re too lazy and ineffectual to do anything about it, not because we’re afraid of the repercussions of not moving to Arizona. The only people who’ll leave are the legal immigrants who are tired of being harassed-liberals who were going to leave on account of civil liberty violations have already chosen to live in regions whose political philosophies match their own.
They won’t be jailed, dolt. This isn’t Mexico, where illegal immigrants ARE arrested. Here they’re deported back to their own home country. And legal immigrants are already federally required to carry documentation that they’re here legally. Even if they were racially profiled against, all they’d have to do is flash their documentation and they’re home free.
Hey, my initial response was a tongue in cheek statement about how stupid it is to have a massive border of heavily armed guards-it’s everyone else who seemed to think we should arrest and imprison immigrants.
Personally, if it weren’t for the racial profiling element, I’m all for deporting illegal immigrants, possibly with a fine, but I think that it’s an unrealistic way of dealing with the root problem-which is, how do we prevent illegal immigrants from benefiting from social programs, while simultaneously gaining the precious resources that illegals offer us. The jury is still out on whether illegals actually contribute more or less per household than average, since the numbers are a bit fuzzy in both directions, but it’s not the wild problem of epic proportions everyone’s making them out to be.
Illegal aliens don’t offer us “precious resources” and it IS a “wild problem of epic proportions,” what planet do you live on? Firstly, in every state besides California, Arizona, Texas, etc.–basically the states with very few illegal immigrants–jobs still get done. Produce gets picked, lawns get mowed, houses get cleaned, taxis get driven: the state does not fall apart because there are not enough illegal people to do the “dirty work” Americans refuse to do themselves. The vast majority of illegal aliens are uneducated, so they definitely don’t offer us “precious resources” by way of academia, research, or technological or medical advancements.
Meanwhile, their medical emergencies must be attended to by hospitals by law–on the taxpayers’ bill. Their children are educated by the state’s system–on the taxpayers’ bill. And they use roads and infrastructure and public services meant for Americans without paying for them. As a lifelong resident of CA, one of the states that suffer the most because of illegal immigration, I can vouch that it definitely is a “wild problem of epic proportions.”
I understand what you’re saying, but the statistics are not on your side. Illegal aliens are-in general-no different from any other increase in population. The are some illegal alien specific issues that rise up, but for the most part, the problems of illegals are no different from the problems of having too many poor people in general.
Now, if you want to argue that you need immigration reform as a means of what amounts to population control, I can sympathize. Having a whole lot of people suddenly enter into a given population can cause a lot of strain.
….Good job making a statement like “the statistics are not on your side” and then not, you know, citing any. Debating fail. Just FYI, there is no your side/my side here; there’s simply what is legal and allowed under the law and what isn’t.
I’m not talking about the “problems” illegal aliens bring to America–they ARE the problem. I don’t care if they’re no different than any other increase in population, or if they’re better or worse. They could be model people; they could be excellent contributions to society (not that they are; this is all hypothetical, as the statistics show.) I don’t care. They’re here illegally. They don’t pay taxes. They need to leave. Sure, the problems of illegals and the problems of poor Americans may be identical. In the case of poor Americans, however, the public has the obligation to foot their bill because they are our fellow Americans, and they deserve the benefits of being American. You cannot make someone leave their country because they’re poor. You can make someone leave a country they’re not supposed to be in in the first place. In the case of illegals, they are, obviously, not American. They can become so through legal means, but they are not owed anything by the government or the people–their own governments need to take care of them. This is not just an American law, or an American policy–every nation in the world has similar policies regarding immigration. Maybe the system is unfair, I don’t know–but for the time being, it’s the law, and the law needs to be upheld.
Oh, I agree totally. I even agree that it’s rather sleazy to quote statistics and then not link them (though, I’m not the only one to do that). However, when we are discussing how to solve a problem, we must discuss the magnitude of the problem. If you introduce a new problem of greater severity than the old problem in order to solve the old problem, then you’re just making more problems.
I get that it’s less philosophically trying to have a problem caused by too much government spending to get rid of illegal immigrants than it is to let illegals be, but I don’t think that justifies stupid decision making. We need to simultaneously send the message that it’s not okay to be an illegal immigrant while simultaneously not introducing a problem greater than the problem that we’re attempting to solve.
Because the “they’re illegals-illegality needs to be punished” argument doesn’t resonate with me. That kind of thinking could be applied to people who don’t cross at the crosswalk, or people who use internet downloads, or people who smoke pot-it’s the idea that the law needs to be enforced simply because it’s the law. Which has its merits-but sometimes, enforcing the law is just an extra burden on society. Now, in those cases, usually the solution would be to simply not have that law-or to at least revise said law.
That being said, I’m no opponent to comprehensive immigration reform. I don’t see it as a top priority, and I don’t think that a comprehensive immigration reform policy that could be pushed through either a democratic or republican congress would actually be a step in the right direction, but that’s not to say that I’m opposed to reform itself.
I don’t get it. What’s the “bigger problem” we’re creating? I see no bigger problem. I see a huge problem, and a solution to that problem; one that doesn’t require any extra spending or any particular effort on anyone’s part, simply one that enables those burdened with upholding the law to…you know, uphold it. There is no bigger problem, there is no increase in governmental spending, as no one’s getting arrested (it doesn’t take much moolah to ship an immigrant back to where they came from, especially right over the border).
I can’t really argue with somebody who doesn’t see the importance of enforcing the law, especially in America, where we have more freedom to change our laws than any other place in the world. It doesn’t matter what reasons you have for not following the law–it’s the law, and those who don’t follow it get punished, including jaywalkers and dopeheads and illegal-downloaders. This is something that doesn’t require your (or anyone else’s) permission or approval–it is the way society and civilization work, and is more a benefit than a “burden.” You are absolutely free to begin a campaign/crusade to legalize pot and relax street rules and push for Internet freedom, as so many people do. You are free to run for Congress and have a hand in changing the laws you/your constituents don’t like. You are free to petition and have your state vote on the legality on important issues; and once you succeed, you are free to jaywalk and light up and go crazy downloading crap on the interwebs. Until then, whatever the law is has to be followed; it is the only way (Seriously. We’ve tried other ways. It doesn’t work.) to maintain order within a state.
Maybe you don’t see it as a huge priority, but every state along the border does. I don’t see this as a problem that the federal gov’t needs to solve (so no one cares about the Congress here), as it’s not their prerogative. It’s the states’ problem, especially the Southwestern ones, and they can deal with it however they see fit. States along the Canadian border and coastal states need not apply.
I can’t abide that kind of mentality. Tacitly upholding bad laws because they’re the law is justifying them. You can avoid breaking laws because of fear of retribution (that’s the entire point of punishment) but don’t endorse bad laws just because they’re the law-after all, this country is essentially run by lobbyists.
If the Arizona bill is in fact just “If you’re pulled over you have to ask for ID” then that’s not really a problem. However, there appears to be some debate as to whether or not the bill includes provisions for essentially racially profiling anyone who looks “suspicious.” And as for the border, borders cost money. A fence is expensive. How expensive? Depends on the nature of the fence. If you do nothing but throw a chain link fence from one end of the country to the next, that’s ALREADY a huge cost, but then add investment. And you want patrols-that’s man-hours. That costs the state money.
But I do confess, another difference in our thinking is just about states rights versus federal rights. As much as I tend to be opposed to executive orders, as we move into the future, the world becomes more interlinked, and more and moreso, we need things to operate on the federal level than on the state level.
But you make this case that “the law has to be upheld” but that’s totally bogus. Granted, the reason it’s bogus is because laws that aren’t upheld-ala, enforced-are essentially non-laws. I mean, think of all those stupid laws that you read in those books about things like “No kissing alligators” or crap like that, or laws that you just know would be stricken down as constitutional, so no one in their right mind tries to arrest or prosecute people for them. The reality of the situation is that the law isn’t just what’s on the books, it’s what’s done with it.
Thus, when you’re saying we have to enforce the law, you’re condoning that law, indirectly if not directly. America’s legal system is rather twisted-humanity is twisted-so it will always have good and bad laws that are totally impractical and as society adapts, will largely be ignored. Citizens will feel uneasy when they’re breaking these unenforced laws, but enforcing them would be absurd.
Ergo, we can’t just say “it’s the law-follow it.” We have to justify the law. Now, as I said, I’m not even really opposed to immigration reform. I just don’t want a policy wherein police officers spend more time chasing illegal immigrants and less time chasing criminals, and I don’t want legal immigrants and natural born US Citizens whose parents were immigrants to end up being harassed just because of paranoia from the south.
But at least Arizona isn’t Texas-revisionist history, now that REALLY pisses me off.
As for “there is no my side/your side” argument, that’s simply missing the point. In practice, neither of us individually has much if any sway in things. Theoretically, if I was able to convince you that my way of thinking is correct, then when the next election comes where you are able to pick between someone who thinks as you do now, and someone who thinks as I do, then my convincing you would cause you to vote in a different fashion-thus creating “influence.” Even if you’re not attempting to gain influence, if I am, that means I have a goal. Since your default state is to be in resistance to any attempts to change your views (that’s humanity for you), it’s not entirely disingenuous to say that’s your side.
I get what you’re saying, and pretty much agree; if we weren’t trying to influence each other we wouldn’t be having this discussion at all.
BTW, thanks for being civil and reasonable throughout. I apologize for calling you a dolt earlier
Well, that’s also not entirely true. For the most part, people on the internet don’t change their minds. A debate on the internet is more like a public performance-an ego trip for the debaters (masters that they are), as both attempt to show their clear intellectual superiority, showing off to an ambiguous crowd.
Which basically turns into a group of people who already agree with person A cheering on person A, and a group who already agrees with person B cheering on person B. Though, in my experience, comment forums are large and you’ll typically get only one or two stragglers for each “chain” of comments, and it’s not often that one person will sort of ending up arguing against three people. I tend to be the 1 in a 1 v3 in that situation. It’s not like I’m complaining or anything-it just means I’m not persuasive enough.
That, or most people (that agree with me) just don’t have the ridiculous stubbornness that I do.
Two things
First, willfully ignoring the significance of a law because you don’t think it makes sense sets a horrible precedence. If you care, then follow Thoreau’s example and work to change unjust laws and set a positive precedence. If you don’t care, then your silence demonstrates implied consent. Deal with it.
Second, tighter borders and immigration control with Mexico is necessary if we are to keep the drug cartels influence in the states from growing. The cartels are those guys that killed off a few thousand people in Ciudad Juárez last year and resulted in Mexico implementing martial law to establish order. According to several papers, the BBC, and several UN articles it is the most dangerous city in Mexico and one of the most dangerous in the world outside active war zones.
And yet… The last time I visited, it took me a mere five minutes to cross the bridge from Ciudad Juárez to El Paso, Texas.
No one checked my ID or asked to see my passport.
Can you see why I and other citizens might worry about border security? Perhaps Arizona’s new law does little but pacify the public and create a false sense that the government is addressing the issues at hand, but at least it does something.
Ha ha ha. That’s amusing. You start with a quote about fighting injustice, and then end by making the argument that a law that does nothing but make people feel as if something has been done is a step in the right direction? All that does is pacify a person’s otherwise “righteous” rage.
I don’t know about whether not following laws you believe to be unjust is a horrible precedent or not-I mean, the real issue is whether those laws are enforced. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again-there are a lot of stupid laws on the books. And no one pays attention to them. People don’t follow them and, far more importantly, they don’t get enforced. But which laws are the ones that don’t get enforced? The ones that the people dislike, but that are not so prominent and disliked that they can be repealed.
But I am all for tougher border control, don’t get me wrong. Drug violence is a serious issue-unlike this “THEY TUK YUR JORB!” racist paranoia you see in a lot of places. And my entire point since the beginning was that tougher border controls are one thing, but laws that do nothing but promote racism, and “solutions” that just create a bigger problem than they solve, are not the answer.
Wise individuals generally do not approve of the “Nuke and Pave” style of approach. Overkill is overkill for a reason-because it is excess, and that excess has a cost. Now, obviously, the actual demotivational poster itself is a gag-it’s SUPPOSED to be an exaggeration.
Jeefus guys thank you for the massive essay you just gave me….
Wasn’t it the darling of the law and order crowd Ronald Reagan who told us that what made the USA so great was it was a free country that, unlike the Police State Soviet Union, didn’t stop people demanding their ‘papers’?
The great god Ronald Reagan wouldn’t utter such dissertance! (like that word? Yeah, I can make up my own… I mean I AM *PUTS ON SUNGLASSES* Jesus Christ YEEAAAAAAAAA—-
Oooooo, making a reagen quote that is decidedly un-right wing thinking. Nice.
Yeah, back when we had an Evil Enemy to fight, Republicans were a lot more liberal when it came to civil liberties-well, if you ignore the entirety of the McCarthy era… like Texas Textbooks are doing ;D
Gaah America won’t be a country that “stops people demanding their papers” because of the new Arizona law. All the law does is allow the police to ask someone already stopped, on an unrelated charge/crime, to show proof they are legal. Native-born and naturalized Americans simply flash their IDs; legal immigrants flash the papers they are already federally required to carry with them; illegal aliens cannot show ID and so are deported, as is policy with all illegal immigrants. Simple.
Well, if that’s REALLY all that’s in the bill, then okay. But my understanding was that the bill included a provision whereby the police are obligated to stop anyone they have a “reasonable suspicion” of being illegal. Otherwise we wouldn’t be having this debate. Though honestly, someone should really link to the bill.
The police are already obligated to stop anyone they have a “reasonable suspicion” of being illegal–this isn’t new, it’s standard police policy, esp. in a state like Arizona.
Yup, a link would be nice, esp. to specific lines of the bill. Too bad most people haven’t read the whole darn thing.
Oh? Then the new bill isn’t even the problem XD
Well, except for that provision of “If the police aren’t doing enough to combat illegal immigration you can sue them” part, though I suppose we do need to read the exact text of the bill before judging.
That is NOT the law. The police must have you stopped for a reason other than “suspision”, speeding etc. Then, if they suspect you’re illegal they can ask for papers. Oddly it’s the first thing I get asked for when I get pulled over. Does anyone not get asked for their Licence and registration? The law now gives the AZ police the ability to take action rather than wish them a nice day.
I suspect that the letter of the law and the impact of the law will be separate issues entirely. Really, without the “You can sue the police if you think they’re not doing enough to combat illegal immigration” line-which may or may not be in the bill (anyone have an actual link?) but is the most controversial thing I’ve heard of, so who knows, maybe it’s fabrication-is really the only objectionable part.
So, really, someone link the bill. As much as the stubborn bastard in me wants to “win” an argument on the internet, the TRUTH of the matter comes out when information is presented, and if I’m wrong on something, then it’d be intellectually dishonest of me to not be willing to admit so. But I’d have to actually have the facts presented in a way that allows for direct analysis.
It does not give them the right to pull anyone over “just because”… But it does give them the right to ask for documentation if they are already pulled over or detained for another reason.
This whole debate has been fun to read with everyone throwing big words into it to sound more intellectual than the other… but if nobody involved has read the bill then your arguments are purely assumptions….and that was allot of debate over assumptions…
if i’m not mistaken, i believe that the u.s’s (is that correct spelling/punctuation?) illegal immigration problem has cost the american population around 113 billion dollars, according to http://www.illegalimmigrationstatistics.org/ (NASA’s Constellation program would have costed 104 billion dollars)
so in theory, wouldn’t the border patrol part of the solution be more economical? (and fun), along with a semi-permanent base on the Moon?
just sayin’
Illegal immigration is like unsafe sex or sex outside marriage: everyone learns on TV, radio or web how dangerous it is, but they still want to do it because they just can’t wait and play by the rules. Then, when a lot of s**t happens to them, they start blaming everybody. Their girlfriends and/or boyfriends, the failed abortion pills, the capitalism, the white race, the Church and the US. Except themselves, of course.
If making that analogy, I’d argue that the typical response from the concerned is like the insistence on abstinence only education-ignoring the reality that it’s going to happen, and instead of sticking to one’s guns and making it worse, we need to do something that mitigates the damage.
So your solution would be to let the illegals roam free and let them do whatever they want?
yeah, that will solve the problem *sarcasm*
Solving a problem by substituting a more costly problem is worse than just leaving the problem unsolved. That doesn’t mean there’s not a solution-though I don’t have one-but it’s better to leave something unsolved than to solve the problem by introducing a worse problem.
You have no clue about the extent of the problem – it isn’t just monetary. Entire cities are being turned into spanish speaking barrios. The thing you libtards don’t seem to understand is that this issue is about ILLEGAL immigration. The golden door is still open; why do you have a problem with expecting immigrants to use it instead of jumping the fence?
When are you Retardicans gonna build a 2000 mile concrete wall across the southern border of the US and man it year round with 20k policemen while also hiring the coast guard to patrol the waters 100 miles out at least just in case?
Oh F it! Lets just set up poles with guns on top with motions sensors attached. You get two warning shots then your dead. Nice barbaric way of doing it. Then we’ll start pulling over every car with multiple foreign looking people over in hopes one might be illegal and if not we’ll just sue the Arizona authorities for not complying with the law. While at the same time businesses and orchards will still bus in hundreds of workers, legal and not, to manage the harvests that require a couple thousand workers for only a couple months a year. Well paying jobs that most americans don’t bother with anymore.
“Well paying jobs that most americans don’t bother with anymore”
Find an unemployed person of at least five year who will not take a WELL PAYING job because they don’t want to bother with the job anymore.
What kind of “Well paying” jobs are illegal immigrants taking anyway? The entire advantage that illegals have over legals is that if you stay off the grid, you can do things like working under the table for less than minimum wage and crap like that. So, I’m pretty sure “well paying” isn’t really the correct term here.
actually… well paying is the proper wording… although it may depend on you’re idea of well paying… I live in an area where local orchards bring in workers for the harvests… the jobs only last a couple months… but they pay everyone around $10 an hour… maybe it’s because there are many english speaking mexicans scattered amongst the workers, or simply because the local growers aren’t soulless, greedy bastards like others… but not all businesses actually located within the U.S. rape the workers with low wages… although they may work 70 hours a week… but that’s more the workers choice anyway… and yes I worked with them once when I first graduated high school.
Well, unless they’re evading income tax (on either end) there’s no real point in hiring illegals compared to legal immigrants and there’s a disadvantage in doing so. The exception, of course, being that you can threaten to go to the authorities if someone rises up-but generally, if you’re paying someone 10 dollars an hour (that’s as much as I make!) then you’re probably not that kind of person. In which case, you’re not necessarily hiring illegals so much as just hiring people who are not as well integrated into society-so, legal immigrants as well.
Actually, I like the automated turret idea. It’s inexpensive and solves the problem. Given the mass exodus of people entering the US on a regular basis, I would not call it immigration, it looks more like an invasion.
When these workers come in from wherever (it’s not just Mexico) and make money they return to their country with the money. They are effectively stealing from the US government by not paying any type of taxes thereby creating an even more unstable economic condition.
The economy is one of the pillars that allow the US to be a leading power in the world. Make no mistake, an attack on the economy is an attack on the US itself.
It would be a fair argument to say the US government will waste the money. I say you’re probably right, but it is our money to waste and it comes out of every taxpayers pocket.
Also in fairness, illegal immigrants are not the only problem facing our country. We have welfare scammers, shady politicians, lawyers and pretty much every CEO that has ever existed. The latter half presumably are US citizens and are thereby protected by the Constitution. Others can easily apply for citizenship, apply for work visas and cross the border legally or try their luck with the turrets.
Anyone here think that might also help stop the drug problem?
- Before anyone accuses me of being a conservative nut job – I watch CNN, voted for Obama and am pro choice.
- Before I am accused of being a liberal whacko – I own 3 assault rifles which I love dearly, I served in the military on multiple deployments to Iraq and I support believe the welfare system is broken.
I am neither liberal or conservative, I consider myself rational.
I have a problem with wasting money throwing people in jail, and racially profiling people. I mean, the real solution would be to make legal immigration a whole lot easier IMO.
by what giving them amnesty? yeah thats real reform right there. how about you pay for the education of 100′s of illegal immigrants along with their dental and health care. and im not just talking about the anchor babies either im talking about the the 7-10 year olds coming over with mama and papa. trust me with how the economy is right now tons of unemployed ppl would take the jobs that business are giving to illegals. and racially profiling isn’t the issue. there are more then just illegals that are mexican in arizona. if you were like lets say french and all didn’t know a single word of english (as do most illegals do all over) thats reasonable suspicion not hey hes brown lets see if hes here illegally
Libtards. How cute. You aren’t old enough to be on the internet, kid.
True internet wisdom includes having the will to avoid falling for blatant trolling.
I’m 25 and I still haven’t mastered that skill ;x
OK, that comment made me a bit dizzy from the circular logic!
It’s not circular logic to say that solving a problem by introducing a worse problem is a bad idea.
Circular logic would be saying that it’s a bad idea because bad ideas are bad ideas. I never made the argument that it’s a bad idea for any reason other than that logistically speaking, it’s a complete waste of resources to imprison people (or have a laughably well armed border control).
Once a fence is built, the only costs are border patrol.
Considering the minimum 12 million illegal immigrants in the US, and compare that with Americans who have to pay state and federal taxes on their behalf, estimates range from the low tens of billions to possibly 50 or 60 billion dollars a year in extra taxation Americans have to foot to pay for those who don’t pay for the services they get, lime education, hospital visits, police and fire, roads, etc etc.
Leaving the illegal immigration problem alone simply incurs new costs year after year that are unending. So no, the fix to the problem is considerably less expensive than doing nothing.
I meant *like* education. Lime education is a Corona on Cinco de Mayo.
How do illegal immigrants qualify for any of these programs in the first place? Isn’t that the real problem?
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No one can be turned away from an emergency room even if they can’t pay. Since hospitals can’t bill illegal immigrants if they choose not to pay, it’s a free service. Illegal alien children also get free K-12 education, and some states even pay for college too while giving the middle finger to citizens. There are hundreds of services citizens have to pay taxes for, whether or not we use them all. Roads, hospitals, police, and fire protection are the most immediate examples. We can’t just let an injured person bleed to death and die because they’re illegal, but the problem is they shouldn’t be here to begin with.
Oh, I totally agree that they shouldn’t be here to begin with. I just disagree with the perceived solution of racially profiling individuals, and I think that the problem is being blown way out of proportion. I mean, the problem with “illegals get emergency care and can’t pay for it” is, guess what, not specific to illegal immigrants-it’s specific to poor people in general. After all, that’s part of what the whole health care bill was about-making insurance affordable *and* ensuring that everyone will have some. Right now, illegals don’t take up that large a percentage of the money that goes to those respective programs (though it is a few percentage points, so I won’t go so far as to say it’s “insignificant.”) Now, that could change entirely if medical centers end up being reimbursed for most poor people-who’ve suddenly been granted a means to obtain insurance-but not for illegals.
In any event, as a Civil Libertard, I hate to suggest any kind of Big Brother type solution, but if Illegal’s kids (who I am assuming are NOT the type that were born in the country so as to gain citizenship, because that’s a separate issue-if that’s what you’re talking about, it’s no longer about illegal immigration) are getting K-12 education for free… then don’t we have access to their records? Can’t we just check the citizenship of kids, and then follow that up to their parents?
Illegal Immigrants are very reluctant to take advantage of social programs because they’re afraid of outing themselves. If you want illegals to avoid benefiting from social programs (while still being unable to avoid sales tax, and still acting as workers for companies who can then deliver products cheaper to you, the consumer, and thus expand their operations to provide more middle-class jobs-yes, that is in fact what happens when lower class labor gets cheaper), then just add a disincentive. I mean, if there’s really this wave of illegal immigrants benefiting from programs, why not target those programs, where you know the illegals are, instead of getting cops to pull people over who they have “reasonable suspicion” of being illegal, thus forcing everyone to carry papers on their person?
Well, I know the REAL answer to my otherwise rhetorical question-bureaucracy. Changes that require high levels of integration are inherently more difficult to implement than changes that require only one level of integration, because of the way government works. It’s a sad fact of life, but that’s kind of how we roll.
It’s actually already a federal law… You’re just not knowledgeable enough of US Law to know it. And, as for where all language comes from, how many variants of Spanish are there?
I’m guessing you are an american then?
You would probably be correct. The odd thing is, Mexico handles *their* illegal immigrants in a manner that would have a lot of people up in arms if those methods were used in the United States.
Well, no one is arguing that Mexico isn’t a steaming pile of shi-
So u are calling my country a “steaming pile of s**t”?
I’ll remember that next time a gringo asks for help here.
No. I am arguing that no one is arguing that Mexico ISN’T a steaming pile of shitake mushrooms. That is a different thing from arguing that Mexico IS a steaming pile of shitzu poodles. Moreover, even if I was arguing that Mexico is a steaming pile of omae wa mou shinderus, it was in the context of Mexico’s somewhat draconian law enforcement policies.
Draconian law enforcement? Like asking for your ID for the way you look?
Yes, like that. That’s precisely the thing I’m arguing against. Mexico has draconian law enforcement typical to its standing as a nation that tends to oscillate back and forth between the first and third world. I don’t want America-even a state that I’m not a part of-to have that same kind of enforcement.
Why don’t we, I don’t know, just make any persons who live in America for more than five weeks (and stays in America, never leaving for more than two weeks) an American citizen? Then they pay taxes, and fuel the economy. Three problems, one stone!
Really, the greatest problem is simply the language divide… people just don’t like people they can’t simply tell to F Off and to know that the other person understands. Joking… a little.
Um, maybe because the whole entire freakin’ world will show up expecting quick and easy citizenship? Duhhh. Not that you can blame them–American quality of life is vastly better than any other country’s–but the solution is not to make the entire world American.
Dude, I can name like 10 countries that have a statistically better quality of life than the States. you have one to the north, and like 7 across the Atlantic.
I think its hilarious that Americans complain about immigration, without even taking into accoun that the reason so many impoverished people come across the border is to escape the economic conditions that their own leaders set up generations ago.These countries are so screwed that a major portion of their economies is the money that illegal immigrants send back to their families.
Actually, its the same deal with African and middle-eastern immigration in Europe. you guys are reaping the rewards of your leader’s actions.
hella racist and immature, but what else did I expect from verydemotivational
not really they dont say which border there patrol their not even saying who their patroling it from. your just adding stuff. though the comments above you yea they kinda are.
Are we finally gearing up to invade Canada? It’s about time! F’n Canadians!
Funny how something can be racist without mentioning a race. Or insisting if you come to the US, then do it legally and we welcome you. Jump the fence, and we punish you.
Boba could jump it.
Chuck Norris would curbstomp it.
Wily E Coyete would catapult himself into the ground in front of it.
LOL
Michael Weston would blow it up.
Lonely Island would blow it up too, and walk away without looking
Those are Land Rovers (90s, 110s, or 130s), could be US (Marines I think bought some) but most likely they’re British.
They are, guy in front is holding an SA80, and the guy in the middle has a British issue soft hat.
That doesn’t prove anything! Maybe they’re just ROLEPLAYING British soldiers, and have excellent props!
Racista de porquería
¡Racista de porquería!
Then they discover all their drivers are illegal immigrants.
This has nothing on the North Korea/South Korea border. Try getting across that one alive.
This is dumb, if someone could get into range to shoot a rocket or some explosive thing like that.
That’s what we call the Wizard’s Fireball corollary.
onenuke would just wipe out thiscrappy excuse fora border force
yesh entire border forces are obviously always at one place at one time ane people trying to cross the border would use a nuke to get past
The entire point of this demotivational poster is a hyperbolic response to the issue of the border. If you were to suppose that that high a density of soldiers was spread over the entirety of the border, you’d have more people lined up than the entire country has. Moreover, retorting that a hyperbolic response to a hyperbolic joke is hyperbolic is missing the point entirely.
your life has left the building
Yeah, I’m ‘fraid you kinda missed the boat on that one, oh king of snark.
well seeing as through they are British troops the only border they could be guarding is the Scottish/English border.
I’m confused… I thought Scotland is British. Shouldn’t they be invading the Republic of Ireland? Although I would like to offer my support for invading Wales regardless. I have friends there that are just asking for some attention!
Dude, there is no such border between England and Scotland. All there is is is a large sign saying “Welcome to Scotland/England”. It’s all the same nation.
Because Hadrian’s Wall is just a lie…
That wall is ancient, and though a significant portion of it exists, it’s hard to say it’s really a border. Though, I guess that’s like arguing that if we built a fence from coast to coast, but had one checkpoint, it’s not really a wall…
I have to point out those are british troops so all the “mexican border patrol” stuff is just silly. And yes america they could totally kick your arse.
F You! loving said between drunken brothers!
Yeah, that must be why US troops had to come in and rescue them and complete their mission for them at Jugroom Fort in Afghanistan.
How could British troops kick our “arse” when they can’t even kick any arse without needing the US to hold their hand?
british troops have rescued US troops more that the US troops have rescued the british. you just dont here about it over there.
hmm well , they can actually , read a book called 3 para its about the british army in afganistan , theres about 3 time were the british army have to go save the us army .
US troops end up shooting at the British more than the damn Afgans. And British troops are for ever saving americans. Might not hear about it so much over the oh so un bias fox news.
The fact of the matter is the US controls 90% of afghanistan and british and canadians the other 10% if US troops are in trouble in a british or canadian area they will call on them for help but the majority if the time they are in a US controlled area and will rely on US cas or ground support. thats it so dont make it an arguement on whos better
you say that, but ive lost track of the number of incedents where americans have opened fire on british, or other NATO patrols and convoys marked with clear recognition symbols. as a comedian here said “the british have a better life expectancy that americans at all times, except joint manuvers” you know what? he’s right.
also critising the elite british soldiers (paras, commandos etc) will probaly end up with the SAS hunting you down.
Tomuk? That sounds a little bit too similar to Tomu. Stop impersonating me ::Cries::
That’s racist ¬¬!!!
Like I asked above, HOW?
Racist, Hitler, etc, etc. Dead terms now. They’ve been ground into every topic so much there’s no shock value anymore. The 60 – 70% of Americans who support SB1070 just don’t care anymore. The vast majority of illegals are Mexican, so therefore the vast majority of those effected are Mexican. I’m half Mexican myself, but the law is the law, and has been for nearly 70 years.
Not to mention being so damn ungrateful, and yelling and lecturing about how we owe them rather than asking for sympathy. The act is getting old. May day rallies only anger people, especially when they see illegals make even more demands in a country they have no right being in.
Perhaps if they were grateful, asked for compassion and showed appreciation for the US and our nation rather than spitting on it, screaming about racism, and demanding more and more privileges, the entire conversation would be completely different.
First of all, sorry if my english is not that good..
Second: Guys do you realize how much money do illegal immigrants produce to USA? you are complaining about how immigrants take away your jobs, guess what thats not their fault..guess who is it blame? corporations that decide to hire cheaper labor…if you guys deported every immigrant back to their countries you would be moneyless
Also it is funny how people say…Get out of our nation, when you killed the OWNERS of that nation. So its ok to go and take over a place and then when others try to make a living in there, you can just say..get out its my nation?
Another thing, do you really think that the most “powerful” nation in the world doesnt know where do immimgrants live, work, go to school? IF they wanted to deport them they could just go to the house of EVERY immigrant and kick them back, but guess what? they dont!!! why do you think that is?
#1, Americans are fed up with employers hiring cheap labor, especially with over 12 percent unemployment.
#2, Yes, we once Europeans took over this country. And? How many nations have fought for land over the millenia? How about ALL OF THEM? It’s very hard to find a single nation that at one time didn’t try to take the land of another nation. It’s human nature, and even until less than two decades ago, many countries were still under British rule to some degree. As far as get out of our nation, it’s our nation now.
#3, if you think we know where EVERY illegal is, that’s absurd. Besides, we know both the Republicans and Democrats like illegal immigration. Republicans like cheap labor. Democrats want to legalize them to get more votes.
And my last point, I have no idea what country you’re from, but feel free to check its laws on illegal immigration. Bet you anything it’s FAR stricter than ours.
oh nice, i dont want to be rude man, but c´mon you think it´s human nature to kill and take over other people´s belongings? really try to educate yourself a little more, there is no such thing as human nature, to quote Jacque Fresco:
“There is no such thing as human nature in the conventional sense of being a set of predetermined, preprogrammed behaviors and values to which all human beings are predisposed. What we are concerned with is human behavior and values, which can certainly be changed. If they could not, we would still be living in caves.
The question we should be concerned with is, “What are the factors that shape human behavior?” We feel that human behavior is just as lawful as any natural phenomenon. Our customs, behaviors, and values are by-products of our culture. If the environment is unaltered, similar problems and behaviors will reoccur.”
so you see, you see that as a natural thing because you were born in a society that tells you its ok to take other people belonging and make them your own, but when someone else tries to do the same with you then thats just plain wrong.
You say oh yeah we once took over this land but who hasnt? …you make it seem like its ok, then why are you mad at immigrants that try to do the same? and not by killing like the “original” americans did, but by working hard and earning money?
And yeah im sure there are other countries that make laws like in arizona
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well sure USA didnt respect any border when they killed Irak, did they? and also i’m no mexican but i hear they are hard working, and they do jobs you lazy fat @55 gringos dont do like jaanitoring, lawnmowing, garbage disposal, and such and still you think if this jobs are demeaning, try saying that after you see they earn a lot more than you and your whole family, you want a problem solved? stop being racist!
Well, the REAL thing that Repugnantcans (sorry, had to go with a derogatory title) and those paranoid about illegal immigrant want isn’t no illegals-it’s no mexicans. Let’s face it-if the entire community was speaking spanish but they were all legal, they’d be freaking out about it.
But that’s unfair to question the motives of a person when having an intellectual debate. The “problem” with illegal immigrants is in their ability to be off-the-radar. This exempts them from most social programs, but it also exempts them for a large number of taxes.
Of course, the vast majority of the cost of social programs is NOT going towards illegal immigrants, no matter what the hatemongers will say, so creating a bill where the police is obligated to racially profile, or spending a kerzillion dollars on a bigass cement wall and paying people to patrol it is just absurd. It didn’t work for the Chinese, just go watch Mulan!
I can’t believe you had to go to the 13th century and bring up the Mongols to make a point.
A wall won’t keep out everyone. A wall WILL keep out 90% of those who walk over freely now, which is much better than nothing which is what we got.
Also, stop lying about the Arizona bill. It does NOT require racial profiling, in fact it prohibits it specifically. If the cop decides to racially profile, that’s on him, it’s not in the bill.
Well, I’m skeptical. My understanding is that the police are obligated to pull over anyone who they have “reasonable suspicion” of being an illegal. But reasonable suspicion isn’t described anywhere. No one who’s been asked about the bill has been able to give a response, so my guess is that no one wants to say “someone that looks Mexican.” So, if there’s no way to tell there’s reasonable suspicion without racially profiling, and the police won’t racially profile (which sounds like a huge stretch to me, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt) then it sounds like the bill accomplishes nothing-except for that part where you can sue the police department if they’re not doing enough to fight against illegal immigration. So, even without racial profiling, the bill seems to amount to nothing but a means for the citizenry to harass the executive.
But, to be fair, I haven’t heard of any methods of identifying illegals that don’t just fit into “racial profiling.” If you can make a persuasive case that there are alternative methods (and what they are) then I might actually be able to change my mind-something that is a great rarity on the internetz.
Also, get that stick out of your hindquarters. Anyone with any resemblance of a sense of humor would notice that the Wall of China reference was a hyperbole and a joke. What kind of person would make a reference to an animated Disney movie and expect it to be taken seriously? Honestly, Mulan? “Girl enters Chinese military and becomes a hero by saving the Emperor.” We’re expected to take that as historical fact? Pfft.
But I suppose I’m not really against the idea of a wall. It seems like a little much-those things are expensive to build and patrol. A wall alone would cut down on some illegals entering, but those who are desperate enough to come here illegally will get past it. And patrols are even more expensive. Still, if you can figure out a way of working it out logistically, I suppose I wouldn’t mind. I think it sends a really bad message “Hey, we’re isolating ourselves with a really big wall!” but not one that would be totally overblown and destroy the American image, so it might be worth the cost. But I’m going to play the financial conservative card (HA! Yeah right) and say “How are you going to fund it?”
Actually, in most states with very little illegal immigration, American citizens DO those jobs. They are just forced to pay state minimum wages rather than under the table and illegally like they do with undocumented immigrants.
And if they earn more than me and my family, that’s because often they live 15 or 20 to a house. If 10 people all make 8 dollars an hour, that’s over triple what I make.
Ergo, I reitterate-the problem isn’t illegals, the problem is poor people. The type of people willing to live 10 per household. Or, long story short, you’re just mad because there exist people with lower standards than you, and because of their existence, you’re going to have to lower your standards! Of course, due to the minimum wage, YOU aren’t permitted to lower your standards, so I confess, that’s a problem. But I’m going to swing a wide bat here and say that maybe it’s better to go after employers of illegal aliens instead of trying to hunt down every single illegal.
For the record, the same kinds of problems exist when it comes to outsourcing-everyone complains that some guy in India took his tech support job, and why? Because they can work cheaper because they have less standards for what they want to be paid. The flip side to that is that outsourcing tends to balance itself out because of the lack of existence of infrastructure-and then, as a country gains wealth, the infrastructure they’ve built makes the population no longer willing to work for pennies, and you have to move on to the next third-world nation.
So, I guess the real scenario is, make Mexico into a first world nation. Yeah, THAT’LL work.
All this right wing constant complaining about Mexican immigration is undermined in this instance by the fact the soldiers in the picture are British.
Whole lotta’ racist jerkoffs post here, evidently.
Could be. Or it could just be a pursuit of deliberately offensive irony.
those guys are british, not american, our army (or border patrol) doesn’t use landrovers
hehehe xD, poor gringos LOL
Indeed, we are a QQing
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A redeemer is Lucho’s choice ;D (HL)
I’m mexican and i approve this pic, it’s funny i chuckled
also, i was expecting some mexican-american “debate” (more like argueing) but i found out americans are fighting against themselves :p
Illegals don’t want to speak out for fear that they’ll be “discovered.” Legitimate citizens speak out about racially profiling because they don’t want to have to deal with it, though.
IMMD.
Clearly I have not been on teh internetz long enough, as I have no idea what IMMD is supposed to mean.
*facepalm*
As amusing as all this ranting about the US/Mexico border is, you are all aware that those are British soldiers right?
Yes. It doesn’t matter who the border is composed of or where it is, the demotivational poster is just suggesting that such border would be difficult to jump over.
I don’t know about that, if the British government has given those soldiers that many vehicles, they probably haven’t been given any ammunition.
And thus, we have bureaucracy in-action. What a beautiful thing.
Tomu,
Think of rampant illegal immigration (ie: population growth) in the context of wildlife and supporting habitat….or even domestic animals and range. The available habitat (infrastructure) can support only a given amount of growth rate, then sustainability of the ecosystem (herd) becomes endangered. We are experiencing overgrowth, and are experiencing depletion of resources to the point of collapse of the system. In the absence of reasonable control on population growth via immigration, we can not survive. Already, our habitat is stretched to the limit. Far worse times are on the horizon. The state of California is faced with building a new Elementary school every day to keep up. Hospital ER’s are crowded with people not of this country, who will not pay, needing care. Our “herd” is overpopulated and the range can not support it. Without culling, we all face extinction. We have a lot of data to support what is and is not sustainable growth. We also know from where most of the growth comes. If someone has no valid ID and does not speak English, is that racial….really? Are you such a lemming that you are willing to face extinction to be compassionate? I am not. Don’t mistake me by suggesting I think people should be culled from the population..no, don’t go there, and I don’t support murdering the unborn. Population growth via illegal immigration is the sole focus of my argument.
That sounds strikingly like a hyperbolic take on the situation, rather than a realistic portrayal of what is happening, but people like to exaggerate the effects when doing so supports their claims, so I’ll let that slide.
Well, there’s your problem. The only thing you’re willing to look at in regards to stemming population growth is cracking down on illegal immigration. You’ve already decided that no matter what the real problem is, you’ve decided what you want to be the target. That’s intellectually dishonest.
As for the habitat being stretched to the limit… isn’t that kind of a problem in the first place? I mean, when you look at Arizona, you have a bunch of people living in a !@#$ing desert. Doesn’t anything sound odd about that to you? Humanity can adapt to hospitable environments-but I’ve never really understood the *desire* to. Of course, when you say habitat, you’re more referring to the economic status than the environment I reckon (using the environment as an analogy), so I suppose I’ll let that one slide too.
In any event, I’m very cautious of the “Well, they don’t speak English-that’s a red flag” argument, mostly because we specifically don’t have English as the official language of America. The dominant fear in people’s minds seems to be the idea of losing the supremacy of the English language. Which would be a “major inconvenience” but it doesn’t seem like a legitimate concern-as in, it’s an ego issue more than anything. But that being said, because we don’t have a legal requirement to speak English, I don’t know that “not speaking English” is something we want as a legal justification.
To the extent that officers who have *already* pulled someone over, and they do not speak English, and they are asked for their license and are unable to provide one or documentation showing citizenship, that further investigation needs to be done.
I do not, however, agree with the following:
1.) A bill that allows the citizenry to sue the police department in the event that they feel that the police are not doing enough the combat illegal immigration.
2.) Any bill that would give officers an incentive to pull over anyone who “looks like” they could be illegal. Because *that* is just racial. And don’t try and say that if someone is listening to Salsa music (or whatever they call it) that’s a red flag too. Not that I like that crap, but it’s a big step in the wrong direction if you start using people’s taste in entertainment as an excuse to pull them over.
3.) Any bill that would spend a whole lot of money to create something highly visible that doesn’t actually solve the problem. This may or may not include a bigass wall and the necessary men and women needed to patrol it-as alluded to in this comical demotivational poster. If we are going to address the illegal immigration issue, we have to do it realistically, rather than in an irrational reactionary way.
I am concerned for the civil rights of legal immigrants. I’m also concerned for the cost to the taxpayer in enforcing legislation-imprisoning people for jumping the border is obviously not the way we want to go for that reason, though from what I can tell, no one is really suggesting that. I personally think that it’s almost certainly more effective to go after the employers of illegal immigrants than it is to go after the illegal immigrants directly-that is to say, if illegals don’t come to the country because there’s no jobs here for them, because the US takes the hiring of people illegally or under the table very seriously, they’d just as soon stay in Mexico. Targeting people individually just strikes me as an ineffective way of doing things and, moreover, feels more like a violation of human rights than targeting organizations-schools, hospitals, businesses-for reform. But I’m sure others would see it the other way around.
im a mexican, i can jump over anything.
Why are you guys offended? We’re sick of this s**t in Arizona, why do you think we finally made this a state law, and not waiting for federal government to care of it themselves?
The demotivational poster itself isn’t really offended. If anything, it’s a hyperbole of the idea of creating a wall to prevent illegal immigration. Which actually sounds more like a straw-man of typically anti-illegal ideas than anything. If anything, the people who are in favor of a wall should be saying “How dare you present my ideas as entirely absurd!”
What is this? A debate?
I love this website because it makes me LOL when I am down or when I want to spend time watching nice things…
I’m a Mexican, and if you lived in this s**t of a country, you would understand why this is no way funny… However, it’s just some dude who made this pster and got approved without thinking who could get offended… I mean, I don’t see why devating, it’s only a joke -_-
So, if some people gets offended, I think the most intelligent thing they can do is to take this from where it comes… I mean, some black people even laughs of jokes about black people… And yup, us mexicans don’t have such a good reputation over the USA, but meh… I repeat, it’s only a joke ^^
For the record, to the best of my knowledge, most of the debate in this thread has little-if anything-to do with the picture itself. It’s mostly just using the poster as a jumping grounds into discussing immigration policy-or, rather, anti-immigration policy.
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/06/arizonas-papers-please-law/
There. All the facts, relatively non-partisan analysis, and a fair portrayal of both sides of the issue. Anyone who wants to argue the aforementioned bill should read that.
This being said, it actually address our picture here-border violence and illegal immigration are two entirely different issues.
you sir, are a supertoll as in a troll, but intelligent, relentless, and balls-out awesome. kudos.
I will jump this with no problem
You’ll weigh five more pounds when you hit the ground again. If you can actually jump a Land Rover.
1.people need to realize that these pictures are jokes
2. americas an awesome country love it or leave it alone
3. this should be the border, if the country’s worth coming to its worth actualy ging through the work and coming her legally and being a citizen nothing against mexican americans in america but a big thing against illegal immigrants
all of you…
SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP
a comment sake-ly for the purpose of a comment.
That is most likely in the middle east note the desert and is not border patrol
Why go over it when you can go UNDER it
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Actually guys, all of you who commented, great job. In America we call that freedom of speach. America has a lot of laws, rules, and so do most nations. This brings me to an interesting point. Without rules or guidelines, laws if you will, what else would you really want to take its place. The issue at hand is not really being talked about here. The real topic here is boundries. Borders are a boundry. If someone violates a boundry it must be, like a law, be for a compellingly good reason, or it needs to be punished. All laws in a civilised society have this criteria.
Would those who want open boundries really want their own to be violeted ? I think not. It helps then to recognise the purpose of borders.
All Border laws are written for the country that writes them and clearly for no other. In America There are people who would like to blur this for personal gain. This is unfortunet and will soon be rectified by the adults among these people who act as children… Stay tuned. New Mexico and Arizona now have adults running things and other states will soon follow. All who love freedom thru the rule of law will see the virtue of patience. I really do like the message of the English photo though. Dont fuc with us !
What you can’t see, out of shot to the right of the photo, is an iraqi quivering in his sandals having said ‘never mind the yanks can’t shoot strai… oh s**t it’s the Brits’.
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ASUMIDO EL ETO!!! (CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!!!)
Wall of Tanks: The easiest wall to climb.
good thing its jeeps
Yeah, the militaries in southern and central American countries tend to be reinforcing brutal dictatorships! Okay, that’s a blatant stereotype that’s probably not supported by the facts.