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The typical political stance of a redneck reaches mind-blowing levels of hard-right conservatism. That being said, most rednecks are completely and totally homophobic. If a redneck saw this picture of four gay men raising the Gay Pride flag, reminiscent of the famous Iwo Jima photo, he would become so inexplicably angry that his head would explode.
Not a redneck b-*head explodes*
Here’s my thing about this poster: ‘Redneck’ originally was a term applied to farmers whose necks would turn ‘red’ during the work day under the sun. Eventually, (and not much later after the term was coined,) it was used to describe poor white Southerners from America. Now, being from the South, I have known many a ‘redneck’ and being pretty damn open to people of all sorts, have also known many homosexuals. My point is this; I know many redneck homosexuals that would be offended by this.
I found you! It took me twenty years and 54 books, but I found you!
lol ass
Yes, the smooth behinds of gentlemen are quite ticklish to my funny bone.
Actually, the term red neck was used to identify union coal miners in Southern Illinois and the mid south who formed an army to go and fight for their fellow miners rights at a hold out mine, I believe that was located near Birmingham AL. The miners tied red bandannas around their necks to identify the good guys from scabs.
The sun burned necks usage came during the Depression.
The term Redneck actually came from Appalachian coal miners who went on strike and then fought for better labor standards. They wore red bandannas around their necks to show their unity.
sorry didnt see the above post when I wrote this one.
Red neck was first coined during the mining protests of the early ’30.
The union workers wore red hankerchefs around their necks, hence the term red necks. that was also later adopted to the US Marines due to the Uniforms Red collar.
I’m a hard right conservative redneck and my head isn’t exploding.
Hang on, I’m reloading.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Actually, since most rednecks are quite well informed of their history and know that four of the original six men that raised that flag on Iwo Jima were dead within a week. I think they would be happy that 2/3 of these gay guys would be dead within 7 days, if indeed they were homophobic. Guess that s**ts on your cereal huh??
“since most rednecks are quite well informed of their history” …that is some pretty outrageous generalizing there. The rednecks I have encountered in and out of the military are not any more or less interested in history than anyone else.
So since most red necks, Their necks are red because they actually work for a living, know their history and know that 4 of the original men died within a week, makes their heads explode because 2/3 of the gay men pictured here die in 7 days, that makes them homophobic??
wait, What??
Your a F***ing idiot!!!!!
And if any hard right conservatives comment that their head isn’t exploding just delete their comments because that doesn’t fit the narrative of your straw man argument…
Your explanation is so borlingly true it made me laugh. Maybe like a double negative? (See if you guys get what I mean)
Be nice if lesbians got to raise that flag too. Even if they had to use a stereotype so rednecks would get it.
Haha. Nice.
Not a traditional recneck you liberal tard. But I am a veteran and I find this photo ofensive because it mocks our people in uniform, gay and straight. I personally don’t have problem with gays/lesbains as long as they aren’t in my face about it. I have worked with both and the were great people
Semper Fudge!
not just red necks every marine and most normal people see this as degrading. personally i’m insulted/disgusted there are just lines you don’t cross
Well, I don’t think it’s terribly offensive. Firstly, I am a man, and secondly, I was a Marine, thirdly, I’ve known more than a few Marines who would love this. Fourth, guess what? The gays are EVERYWHERE… (like me!)
So much for “don’t ask don’t tell”. AKA: USMC fail
He *was* a marine. DADT doesn’t strictly bar homosexuals from service, just openly gay people. Since he’s no longer a marine, DADT doesn’t apply. No USMC fail.
I can see it being applied retroactively to save money, can’t you? I mean, if they can cut out education to save tax money…
You are my hero of the day, sir!
Agreed!
Not just Marines, either. I know more than a few people from other branches of the military who would be probably something close to horrified. And none of them are homophobic.
Just ignorant
Nah, they’re probably not ignorant either, just sensible
I’m slightly offended and some of my best friends are homosexual. The reason I am offended is that somebody took a great moment in history and twisted for their own agenda. Yes, I served 6 years in the Navy, but I don’t discriminate
If I weren’t a woman, I’d kiss you
Thanks for serving our country.
I spent 6 months living on Parris Island. Of the hundreds I’ve met and got to know … trust me, they would tear you apart for even mentioning there are Marines who like this.
Then they can grow up.
Yes because belittling the actions of a few good men for homosexuals that for the most part all I’ve seen do is screech out their views, claim christians like me force our views upon them [when I don't I have had a few very good gay and bi friends, and lesbians too], and all such ilk. I’ve had to put up with women so ugly because they want to be men, yelling because they can’t understand why someone else deserves a moment to talk, preaching that homosexuality is right and heterosexuality is wrong.
So yes that’s why I see this as degrading DAK, the same way they try to equate their ‘persecution’ to the near genocide of the Jewish people, or the slavery of african americans.
But then I’m learning that in america, and the world, aslong as you’re not straight and white, and or christian, and or republican, you can get away with f***ing anything.
THANK YOU!!! I get SO sick of the “we’re right and everybody else is “homophobic” B-S! It’s ridiculous!
When you’ve lived as a gay man (or some variant thereof) in your country or most others in the world, and had to put up with people casually saying you should all die, or beating you, or calling you names, or ostracizing you, or being disowned by your family, then you can go on rants like that. Gay people, even in relatively tolerant countries, have to put up with the fact that it is still considered socially acceptable to ‘shove heterosexuality in your face’ (movies, commercials, billboards, public places, politicians bragging about their families, etc) while expressing their own love is at best socially awkward and at worst inviting a death sentence.
We do not want to say that ‘heterosexuality is wrong’. That is so unbelievably ignorant that I shouldn’t even be addressing it; either your friends were really messed up or you didn’t listen to a thing they said. All we want is for heterosexuality and all other sexual orientations to be considered as equals, which unfortunately some people seem to have a real problem with.
Now, when you try to pretend that we haven’t suffered and don’t suffer (at least, not as epically as your Jewish and African poster children) you forget that Jews weren’t the only ones rounded up for the concentration camps. Pink triangles, anyone?
So, in conclusion, when we have EQUAL rights in every single way to heterosexuals, then, yes, we will leave you alone. That includes both legal AND social equality. Until that point, we will be in your face. Not because we like it (that seems to be the perception) but we want to let you know that we aren’t going away – we will refuse to go back into the closet and we will call out people who try to stand in the way of true equality.
Thank you
I love you.
Yes, there are really obnoxious LGBT advocates that are pretty damn heterophobic… but they’re hardly the majority of the gay community. They’re just louder than those of us who are actually sane.
Well said! <3
I’m a Christian conservative Republican US Marine Iraq veteran…and I can’t stop laughing! JUST A JOKE for the love of Pete…………………..hilarious!
Old joke:
“You know why the Navy has Marines aboard ship?”
“Because sheep would be too obvious.”
Bada-Bing Bada-Boom
But – seriously – there have been gay men (and now women) serving in our armed forces in about every major conflict in American history. Given that roughly 4-10% of the general population is gay with another 25% being bi-sexual … there’s a good chance that there are thousands upon thousands of American servicemen and women buried in our National Military Cemetaries across the country who pay the ultimate price for freedom of speech for the very people who attack them for being gay. Enjoy the freedom they sacrificed to give you. And OBTW – lighten up = alittle humor never hurt anyone.
seriously? what if was a pirate flag would you be just as offended? no cause you’re a bit of a bigot. nah XP
I’m pro-gay rights and mostly anti-US-military, and even I’m somewhat offended by it. Not frothing offended, but this isn’t going to make gay communities any friends.
Is it making them any enemies, though?
I wouldn’t quite say it makes them enemies, but it loses them support. I can’t say for sure what the thought behind the picture was when it was made (for all I know it was a whim “we’re putting up a flag, strike the ‘put up a flag’ pose”), but it’s used for the specific purpose of offending people, and then ridiculing people for being offended. It’s obnoxious behaviour, and all it does is undermine the cause they claim to support.
It follows the same flaw as the gay parade does in my city. It’s like many of the organisers sat down and figured out the most offensive things they could possibly put in – I don’t care what genders or preferences are involved, I don’t want to see 300 Lb people in fetish gear simulating oral sex on each other. All my gay/lesbian/etc friends call it the gay shame parade and have nothing to do with it.
So yeah, I guess in the end it does make them enemies.
Doesn’t matter, because no matter what they do or don’t do, they end up making enemies.
“I’m pro-gay rights and mostly anti-US-military, and even I’m somewhat offended by it.”
So you are pro-gay rights and you are also homophobic. That’s not actually that uncommon in the same way that there are a lot of whites who are politically progressive and carry the banner against racism who still cringe at the smell of ‘black hair’ and who would cross the street to avoid a group of black youths.
You can easily be both. And the first step in ridding yourself of homophobia is recognizing it in yourself and asking why you feel that way.
As to whether it makes gay communities any friends, that’s debatable. The whole ‘act straight’ bit hasn’t gotten us as far as openness and visibility in all parts of the LGBTIQ community. In fact the best predictor of whether or not someone is homophobic isn’t race, sex, political affiliation, education, or even religion… its whether or not you personally know someone who is gay. (Oddly enough, this thread is a pretty damn good demonstration of that.) So while I can see the truth in the first part of your statement, you are dead wrong about the second.
P.S. if you are interested in working on your homophobia, I would suggest PFLAG (F is for friends after all… not just for relatives.) They meet you where you are and try to get you further along the way to being as accepting and non-homophobic as possible.
Wait… what?
How does being anti-MILITARY translate to HOMOPHOBIC?
I don’t see the big deal.
I’m not sure of the original context of the photo, but I took it to be pointing out the fact that many soldiers (including the ones who fought in WWII like the original men who hoisted the flag at Iwo Jima) are gay. It’s not crossing the line to point out that gay men have fought and died in every war this country has ever been in- including the Revolutionary War, Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and the current war in the Middle East. They fought and many died for the values of our country. To ignore that is insulting and disgusting.
I am surmising that the original intent of the photo was to compare the battle for gay rights to that of Iwo Jima. If that was the author’s argument … then die.
Many did. Both simply for being gay and while fighting for all humans everywhere, regardless of orientation during Iwo Jima. I’m also willing to bet that a lot of the soldiers who died there were gay.
I agree with Spacerat; to suggest that soldiers who fought and died in World War II parallel those who “fight” for gay rights today is pretty…I don’t know, stupid.
Why? Both are dying for what they believe in.
No, they’re not; at the very, very least, they’re not dying on a scale anywhere near the casualties of WWII. That’s just a fact, sorry. Try again.
Did I say that they were dying in equal numbers? No. But there’s still a hell of a lot of them dying. Why? Because they’re both fighting for something they believe in. That was the point of my post if you’d bothered to read it.
“A hell of a lot”? Where? How many exactly? Like 10, maybe, in the last decade? Are their deaths state-sanctioned or isolated instances of hate crime? Are we at war for gay (or any civil) rights? How much is a “hell of a lot”? What happened to their murderers? Were they medaled and honored or punished?
Nice job providing facts instead of baseless claims.
I did bother to read it. I wish I hadn’t. It’s nonsensical. I don’t see how someone can’t comprehend the difference between those involved in the non-voluntary, bloody and violent WWII and those involved in a completely optional fight for “gay rights” consisting of petitions and parades and lobbying.
I can count ten in the last year… from the local paper. And I’m from England, which is pretty good with gay rights. Imagine what it’s like elsewhere in the world. Hate crime or state-sanctioned, who cares, gays are still fighting for an equal voice.
And fighting for gay rights is optional? Do you have the same opinion about women’s rights? Or blacks rights? Both of those had to fight. Both of those suffered intolerance and hate crime. What’s the difference?
Well, I don’t know about England; I can’t speak for it, and don’t need to, as the picture in question is American and the discussion in general has been about gay rights and WWII from an American viewpoint. I do know that hate crime in general has been steadily decreasing all over the country, including towards gays, and can’t use up the fingers on one hand to count the number of gays killed in America in the last decade. I’m only speaking of violent crime against gays because every other civil right (ie “an equal voice”) has already been and is granted. We have gay leaders and politicians and writers and businesspeople. And of course suffrage, really the only true means of giving someone “equal voice,” isn’t a problem. What else is needed for “an equal voice?”
It matters because even if you accept that the World War II soldiers were fighting for human rights, they were fighting against state-sanctioned murder and genocide; not legislative action or social justice. The two are different
Of course fighting for blacks’ rights and women’s rights were optional back when they were relevant, as is fighting for gay rights today. Were there not thousands upon thousands of black people who didn’t participate in any aspect of the civil rights movement in the ’60s? Weren’t there thousands upon thousands of women who either didn’t participate in the women’s liberation movement or opposed it altogether? Aren’t there women today who either don’t identify as a feminist, don’t feel they owe anything to it, don’t approve of or agree with feminism? Of course all of it was/is optional; nobody forces you to fight for civil rights. Maybe your own conscience tells you how to act, but there is no coercion and there is no duty. WWII soldiers were forced to fight for their country. There’s your difference.
I’m not going to touch whether or not this pic is offensive. I think it’s funny, and that’s that as far as I’m concerned; everyone else is welcome to love or hate it and it has no bearing on me.
But I just wanted to point out that not every civil right has/is been/being granted. Yes, we’ve got our leaders, politicians, writers, and businesspeople. But gay marriage is not nationally recognized; we cannot name our partners on our health insurance, even when that insurance might save their lives; we cannot adopt except with great difficulty; we can be fired from our jobs; we can’t serve in the military unless we like living a lie; and until just recently, we were denied bedside visitation rights if our partner was in the hospital. So our fight is far from over. And there are more victims in a fight for civil rights than just those who’re beaten or murdered in hate crimes. What about teenagers that fall into drugs, or are bullied at school, or are forced into conversion camps, or are abandoned by their families, or even commit suicide because they either can’t accept being gay or are not accepted by the people around them? They’re victims, too.
I’m not even beginning to compare what gay teens go through to what soldiers in WWII went through, or even that those fights are equal. I’m just saying that there is more to our fight than you seem to think; not all our victims are hate crime victims.
I agree, gays are a miniscule minority. The media just makes you think they’re everywhere. It is VERY degrading! They’re just trying to defile the honor of the original picture.
Hello, troll (or idiot, I don’t care which).
methinks Xenon is the troll…a gay troll (yeah I said it, lol XD)
Bisexual actually. Also, a troll on occasions. Not here though.
The original picture was a staged photo op. Ah, the honor.
As I said below, “That was a different photo that was staged. It was a misunderstanding about which of the two photos was being talked about that caused the controversy.”
I agree w/ you…but idk why everybody is so up in arms about things that are deemed “controversial’…EVERYBODY gets sorted out in the end…
About 8% of the population. Just saying.
Honor?
One of the original Marines in the orginal picture was Native American who died of alcohol poisoning … how did we “honor” him? Back then being an “Indian” was almost about as socially acceptable to being a homosexual in some parts of America. You want to talk about honor?
It’s amazing what sheer levels of idiocy can result from something this stupid… Hell, if this weren’t the internet I would swear that I was back in my debate class! Personally I don’t really like this but seeing how this is the internet there is nothing that I can do about it.
For all we know, the servicemen who did the original flag-raising would be happy to have it used in support of social justice. I recall reading that they hated the propaganda storm centered on their act back then.
@cove I was a Marine-and I’m mostly normal-and I wasn’t degraded, insulted, or disgusted. I thought it was hilarious!
Somebody’s in the clooooooset….
I’m a former Marine. I’m not homosexual, but I have friends that are. I find the poster to be, first and foremost, extremely disrespectful. After that, in no particular order, I’d classify it as embarrassing, pathetic, and depressing.
Thousands of people DIED at Iwo Jima in a battle to defend the civil liberties that allow things like to happen. It would probably bother me a lot less if people I know couldn’t get expelled from school (and/or ticketed and/or arrested and/or sued) for expressing similar amounts of “pride” in the fact that they are heterosexual.
And yes, I have actually witnessed all of the above. I have seen people get expelled from school, ticketed, arrested, and sued (but not all at once) because a homosexual was as offended by “Straight Pride” as much as the “straight” individual was by “Gay Pride”.
Maybe if we drove a M1 tank through a Gay Pride and the homosexuals win… maybe that would be fair?
Maybe you could grow a brain and see symbolism for once in your life? I know the Marines are supposed to be thick-headed, but really?
Xenon, why are you so mean? You’re all over the thread being harsh and disrespectful to everyone who maybe thinks a little differently than you. Lighten the eff up, ditch the superiority complex and try to actually understand what people say and why. It is possible to debate ideas without name-calling and insults, you know. Jeez.
And yet you don’t complain about “I want to find out who made this and tear out their f***ing spinal columns while shredding their bodies in a meat grinder.”
I debate well. Against smart people. All most people complaining here have said can be boiled down to “It’s an outrage because I don’t like people having the right to speak freely and, regardless of what this battle is, it DEFINITELY wasn’t about rights! Rawr!”
Eh, I didn’t see that. If I had, maybe I’d complain about it too. I guess we’ll never know. I did see you like, everywhere, thus the complaint.
Nah, you don’t debate well; you think you do, but that’s only because you’re slightly better at putting together a coherent sentence than most people on the interweb. “Debating” doesn’t consist of knocking down another’s claim (and the person himself) because you think it’s stupid–you need, y’know, facts and stuff to counter it. I’ve read your argument, at least the one in this thread, and it falls flat once you get past the rhetoric and logical fallacies you cloud it with.
“It’s an outrage because I don’t like people having the right to speak freely and, regardless of what this battle is, it DEFINITELY wasn’t about rights! Rawr!”
Hahah. Well, it wasn’t. Duh. People who think World War II (at least from America’s perspective) was about “rights” and “liberty” and “freedom” were probably educated in a sub-par system funded by a government intent on shoving misinformation and sugar-coated history down kids’ throats…so everyone. If WWII had really been about human rights, America wouldn’t have waited 6 years to step in and stop the disaster in Europe. WWII was about ensuring America’s status as the most powerful state ever and bolstering our then-fragile economy. The men raising the flag in the original pic were celebrating American victory, not the victory of human/civil rights. That’s why replacing the American flag with a gay rights one may seem offensive and wrong and unpatriotic–the moment is celebrating America, not a particular cause or battle or movement or whatever.
Err… I feel sorry for you to actually believe that… While yes, America really should have stepped in earlier, it wasn’t just because they thought it was the best time to build a power base. It was because they finally realised they’d be next on the chopping block…
Oh, you have no idea of the amount of pity I have for you.
“It was because they finally realised they’d be next on the chopping block…” No, we knew we’d be next for a long, long time. American leaders knew of Hitler’s plans of world domination for years before Pearl Harbor. We figured we’d let millions of icky Jews and insignificant European homosexuals be tortured and killed before we went in and put an end to it. That way, Hitler’s armies would be weak and hungry and defenseless by the time we got to them. It’s called, you know, military strategy; and it worked, it took barely months to finish off the Third Reich. Then Pearl Harbor happened and we figured we’d waited long enough–you can destroy all of Europe and senselessly murder whole communities, but dare touch America and we will end you. This is history, this is fact, this is what happened. No one was fighting for “rights.”
o_O
Seriously…? I know the Americans had their fair share of bad human rights records in WWII, but they were still a hell of a lot better than the Nazis.
If America was just after a simple power base, then why didn’t they just leave the Europeans to their fate, take on Japan and use their newfound nuclear abilities to dominate the rest of the world with fear. You, ma’am, are either deluded or a troll to believe that.
Oh, yes, please continue with the ad hominem attacks. Prove my point: you have absolutely zero skill in debate, even one as informal and simple as in an online anonymous humor website’s comment section. Does it matter if I’m deluded or a troll, or maybe both? Do facts change depending on who says them? Jeez. Stop focusing on who I am and focus on what I say, and refute it with solid historical fact and analysis. Don’t take jabs just because you’re out of things to say.
Haven’t you ever, you know, taken a political science course, or read a book on it, or attended a lecture about it, or ANYthing? Forget that, did you not pay attention in 10th grade world history? Does the word “alliance” mean anything to you? If it does, and if you have even minimal knowledge of WWII, you know Germany and Japan were in one, along with Italy and various other nations. There’s absolutely no way America could attack Japan and not expect retribution from the European powers allied with Japan–that’s the beauty of an alliance.
Also, I never ever ever said America is as bad as the Nazis, or anywhere close. America and its ideals are on the opposite side of the spectrum as the Nazis. I’m simply saying that America’s goals and reasons for fighting in WWII weren’t as pristine and righteous and noble as we would have everyone believe–the fight for human rights wasn’t really a concern.
America is not a state it is a collection of states. All of you people on here trying to sound so much more intelligent and superior are just pathetic. Really, who cares what the picture is or what it’s about. If you don’t like it, don’t look at it.
Sorry, I LOLed, really, really hard. The United States of America is a state, nincompoop. All nations with self-sustaining governments are STATES.
I’m an Army vet. I think this is dead-on awesome. And if someone thinks that some sacred line has been crossed here, life must really suck for you because you’re probably pissed off by everything that doesn’t fit into your narrow world view. The myth that the military is going to fall apart once Don’t Ask Don’t Tell is gone is the REAL insult here. How dare you insult our professional soldiers, sailors and marines like that. Shame on you.
Careful, there’s a lot of rednecks on here.
Insulted and disgusted? Yeah that´s what I said after I woke up next to your mother…:D
Well if your mother had swallowed maybe we wouldn’t have had to hear your witty retort.
I’m more concerned that the flag is morphing into Toucan Sam.
I applaud you, Fekket, for Most Original Comment. Bravo!
I love the sentiment this projects. Something like “tolerate everyone you idiotic southern conservative redneck hicks” Do you see hypocrisy here? I do. And there are some lines you definitely shouldn’t cross.
Hypocrisy. Check.
I don’t think it’s hypocritical to reject intolerance in the pursuit of tolerance. When we say “A redneck’s head is exploding” we’ve already defined redneck as someone with a set of bigoted beliefs. Now, if we were to say “somewhere, a southerner’s head is exploding” that’d be completely different. It’s like saying that if you’re opposed to racism, it’s wrong to be derogatory of racists.
That being said, you are correct in that the way forwards isn’t just an us versus them mentality, but an attempt to be progressive and move forwards by embracing others, and showing them how they’re wrong in a diplomatic and productive sense, rather than just mocking them so they’ll stay in the shadows.
So it’s OK to assume everyone in the South is a bigot then? That’s just as dumb. If it said “Somewhere a homophobe’s head is exploding”, now that would be different.
He was using that statement about the South as an example. He wasnt saying it’s okay to assume that.
Be correct in your terms and stop playing games, what you should say since it is really what you mean is, “It isn’t wrong to be intolerant of opinions you find intolerant” Though choosing to use an OLD insult to be intolerant of southerners (redneck) is just as cliche and intolerant of your usual views of gay people (We cannot be ourselves without YOUR approval)
You’ve shown that you are both intolerant, and a homophobe in trying so hard to seem “fair”
Too long. Did not read.
Well, no. A redneck is defined us “an uneducated, unsophisticated, or poor white person, typically used to describe residents (of either gender) of the rural US,” according to the dictionary. It isn’t defined as someone with “a set of bigoted beliefs”; that’s your stereotypical and bigoted view of them. This picture generally implies that all uneducated, unsophisticated, and poor white people will react in an exaggerated manner to it–that’s insulting, sorry, and rather intolerant and bigoted.
Also, this: “to reject intolerance in the pursuit of tolerance” makes no effing sense. Truly tolerant people don’t reject any belief or idea, no matter how much they disagree with it. We call our American society tolerant because we allow orgs like the NAACP to coexist with the KKK; NARAL with NRLC, NAMBLA with anti-pedophile activist groups, and on and on. Get it? All views, no matter how heinous they may seem to anyone else.
And “showing them how they’re wrong?” Sorry, again, but who are you to show anybody how they’re wrong, or to tell anyone that their opinions are faulty? What kind of elitist mentality is that?
Only a homophobe/bigot would consider it degrading. Raising a Pride flag is, in fact, is considered by many to be a response to hate crimes. Hope YOUR head explodes.
Obviously you are not familiar with the original picture or its context as that is what the insult actually is. Has nothing to do with any flag but for the tens of thousands who gave thier life for that flag on that island. Offended, no. not funny either.
That photo is a brutal reminder of the lives lost on both sides in one of our nations deadliest battles.
And before someone starts in, I know it’s not the original photo but a mock up. So keep the panties in check
but the “original photo” wasn’t a photo of the original flag raising but a staged re-enactment anyway.
Sorry, epic fail, the original photo WAS a shot of the flag raising it was just a chance shot that has become history, you should learn yours.
Silent Cat is right. My great uncle was there in the shot in the footage but outside the shot in the photo. I’ve had a first-hand account of it. History fail.
That was a different photo that was staged. It was a misunderstanding about which of the two photos was being talked about that caused the controversy.
What about the tens of thousands of gays who’ve given – and continue to give – their lives for that rainbow flag on this island called earth?
Symbolic? Yes.
Again, reread above. If the Gay community wants a trademark moment by all means go have one and make your mark. No need to hi-jack another.
How do you know the soldiers raising the original flag weren’t gay?
Even if they weren’t that picture signifies freedom for all, no matter who you are. So gays raising that flag is VASTLY fitting given the hostility they face.
We don’t. We do know that the soldiers raising the American flag weren’t fighting for “gay rights,” even if they were gay themselves. Their victory over European fascism didn’t change anything in terms of the gay rights movement–that isn’t what WWII was about. It’s as simple as that. That the original soldiers may have been gay (for which we have no proof), Xenon, is kinda completely irrelevant. It’s like saying black soldiers fighting in WWII were fighting for American civil rights. Like, what?
Their victory mattered EVERYTHING. If they hadn’t, there would BE no gay rights. They fought for ALL rights. Gay rights are included in that.
“It’s like saying black soldiers fighting in WWII were fighting for American civil rights.”
The right to live free would be one of those. Therefore, they were.
@cove You really need to relax. Have you tried deep breathing?
They are obviously just men from Cusco, Peru, raising their city flag. Duh.
I don’t think you have to be a redneck to be offended by something that so many people gave there lives for and you degrade the image because your a homosexual and you feel that your life is so tough. If those men hadn’t fought in the pacific and died there you would probably not be allowed to be gay. Grow up and show some allegiance to country.
blah blah blah words blah.
Geez… really? If people hadn’t died in the Pacific people wouldn’t be allowed to be gay? Ya know, one of the greatest military figures in all of history (Alexander the Great) was known to be at least bisexual, and he lived quite a few THOUSAND years ago. There are certain truths in life, one of which is no one fought for me to be gay. I was born this way, the same as you were born who you are.
Besides, I feel that the highest allegiance to ones country where supposed freedom abounds IS TO USE THAT FREEDOM!
Another example of “closet gays in history” is Achilles. You know, the dude who the F***ING ILLIAD WAS ABOUT!!!!!
The first line of the poem:
“Sing, O Muse, of the anger of Achilles.”
Alexander the great died of STD’s .
Again, a repeat of history that didn’t happen, Alexander the great was never even suspected of being gay or a bisexual, his appetite for women was legendary and much written about. And yes many men did die for your right to be gay. Try telling Hitler or Musalini, or Tojo I was just born this way, your answer would be a quick smoke of serin gas and a “Cure” for your abnormality. Are you people really so idiotically ignorant of the history of this world to know that the Homosexuals were exterminated before Hitler started on the Jews? REALLY?? Come on people, learn where you have been or you will do it again, And I blame idiots that think the way it is is how it has always been.
Again, LEARN HISTORY, Alexander was not only never suggested as being gay or a bisexual but his appetite for women in an increasing number was very accurately recorded, (Yeah it is a WOMAN lover that is supposed to have poisoned him) And YES many men have died for your RIGHT to be gay. You think Hitler, Musalini, or Tojo would have allowed your “Deviant”lifestyle? Gods people learn your history, the Homosexuals were exterminated by Hitler BEFORE he started on the Jews. No American Hero warriors? No stop to the LARGE gas chambers and BIG Ovens. Tell the SS it is how you were born and they cant do anything about it, try “the final solution” You people that have no grasp of where this world has been will be the death of it from EPIC FAIL repeats.
I call bulls**t. If instead of being a rainbow flag, it had been a parody for some commercialized product or something, everyone would be kindly touched, except for the most hard-core anti-everything type of people.
Events are not sacred-they do not get a “No one is allowed to parody me” pass. Nor do people. I mean, this picture isn’t even being outright derogatory.
Allegiance to a country? I don’t like pledging allegiance to vague ideas. I pledge allegiance to myself and my family. A country is an abstract concept.
The concepts of self and family are both abstract.
*ducks explody-head chunks*
Perhaps to you, but my concept of self and family are pretty concrete. My self is ME. My family is MY FAMILY. Head intact. I appreciate the effort, though.
This.
The “rednecks” you’re referring to saved the world….. Jerk….
They’re not suggesting that the original guys who put up the flag were the rednecks-though, actually, all of the anger against this demotivational poster suddenly makes sense if that’s the way you interpreted it.
No, they’re saying that people who are opposed to homosexuality and homosexuals are suffering from cognitive dissonance at the sight of the fusion of something they are inherently repelled by (homosexual progressiveness) and something they are attracted to (historical events of military significance). It’s not trying to call anyone from the past rednecks.
I think he’s trying to stick his own ideology on past figures (a great way to spit on their graves) so that insulting his opinion is insulting heroes.
I see you don’t know many rednecks.
This Redneck thinks its funny, head is still on!
Not offended, and I’m a redneck. Not gay, but know quite a few gay rednecks.
Now, it *would* be more funny if they guys in the pic were dressed like The Village People, then you would be making fun of rednecks AND VP fans, but that’s just my thoughts on the issue…
As soon as the flag is up, I expect them to break into a rousing chorus of “Y M C A”.
Everyone in this discussion should take two Valium and have their eyes checked. These guys aren’t dressed as soldiers. They look more like construction workers.
There is only a minimal similarity in pose. Everything else is radically different from the original picture.
So, un-bunch your panties, and take a deep breath.
…OMG. Really? You actually brought up the YMCA?
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Now that you mention it, I keep expecting that too.
Weird.
Yes, because drawing similarities to the gay movement and arguably one of the bloodiest battles of WWI (Iwo Jima) are very similar.
I could care less if homosexuals want to be homosexuals; that is their prerogative. But that doesn’t mean that one needs to take every iconic photo from the past century and slant it to fit into the agenda of one specific group.
There is a lot of history behind that picture, and certain things should remain respected and not mimicked.
Apologies on the typo; that should be WWII.
Can I just clarify your statement, Obmot? Did you just infer that homosexuals *want* to be homosexuals?
Is that what you just inferred? Because that’s what it sounds like you just inferred.
*sigh* Yeah, that’s what he said… :/
cute things exploding…..
Yay! We just had the 1705 party!
I’m a redneck.. and a veteran.. and I know what original picture this one is based on.
Oddly enough, I’m not offended in the least. I think some of you need to either grow thicker skins or just come out of the closet already (“methinks you doth protest too much”).
Yup.
Besides, it doesn’t even pretend to be a half-decent Iwo Jima mockup.
*shrug*
Folks to to get back on their meds around here or something.
Somebody bring a mop. A lot of heads just exploded in this comment thread.
Its not just that they are raising a gay flag, its the fact they are all different coloured as well. Combine the two things a redneck hates, and he explodes.
im offended and it really has nothing to do with my standing on gay rights(lets not get into that tho cuz that wud mean more debate) it has to do with the fact that they are making a mockery of numerous people who gave their lives for freedom. I dont give a s**t if its the gay pride flag, the jolly-roger, or a freakin t-shirt, ITS NOT RIGHT!!!!
And how do you know the soldiers in that photo weren’t gay?
1) they all look sorta mexican to me
2) one of my closest friends is gay
3) this still pisses me off that they used ANY flag in said pose as (to me) it mocks a significant event in history
i mean how would you like it if i went back and mocked the destruction of the twin towers?
or perhaps i happen to go over to britain and tell the catholic pope to kiss my @$$,flip him the bird and then proceed to start speaking in satanic tongue?
or even better let’s just continue the mockery and disgrace by running over to germany and taunting them over how many people died in the war?
or even more we can go to a nice jewish church and hang a nazi swastika next to their pulpit?
you do not simply mock things as important to people as wars, religion,sexuality etc and expect people not to be upset
and as i’ve stated before i am NOT homophobic but i do tend to have some respect for things like the death of so many soldiers in iwo jima
just my 2 cents
p.s. no i’m not a redneck
How many times does it have to be repeated that this is hardly a mockery? In fact, this is very symbolic and reasonable.
“…i happen to go over to britain and tell the catholic pope…”
Reality check! You ARE a redneck.
1.) What does you thinking they look Mexican have to do with anything? Besides sounding slightly racist.
2.) Although I might be wrong, I think the Catholic pope resides in Italy, not Britain.
3.) There’s not such thing as a “Jewish Church”. They go to Temples, or Synagogues (pronounced kind of like “sin-o-gog-s”), not Churches.
P.S. Please use proper capitalization and punctuation. It would make your writing a lot easier to read.
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I love how some people are offended/insulted/disgusted by the fact this parodies a famous photo. I wonder if some of you also thought that some Muslims overreacted when Muhammad was put into cartoon parodying suicide bombers? Everyone chooses to be offended by things they hold dear to themselves.
I say to both sides, if you choose to be offended by something, you are probably not its intended audience, so disengage, find something else to look at. Life’s not worth wasting hating things.
You my friend are very wise. XD It’s true, people need to calm down and turn their heads the other way if something insults them.
I agree. Good wording on “choose to be offended’… So very true.
Actually, if one is offended by this, then you are precisely the intended audience. This is an obnoxious, deliberate attempt to offend people, just so they can feel self-righteous and mock people for being offended.
BTW I’m certain more than one or two gay fellas died at Iwo Jima, and other battles. Homosexuality is not exactly something that came into being since WWII.
I appreciate all the people who fought for this country, regardless of gender, orientation, race or creed.
Iwo Jima had snow?
Maybe it is a cold day in a very tropical location – there seems to be a fair amount of tolerance (but you can’t please everyone).
I’m really offended or anything, but if you are going to remake a picture as memorable as that could you at least use the correct number of people. The original had 6 men in it, not 4.
-Facepalm-
Maybe they weren’t going for a TOTAL recreation of the original? Hence why there are 4 men instead of 6, and the men look like construction workers, not soldiers.
Maybe they were going for at least a small tint of originality here?
I don’t really give a crap about the picture, since it’s a very poor imitation. The bold, and pathetically misguided, statement that only a redneck/homophobe/bigot/(insert your silly buzz-word here) would give a damn about the significance of the pic is annoying though.
This offends me because…..bla bla bla, honestly. Roughly 150,000 people die every day most with nothing they belive in. The men represented in the original photo died for something they belived in. The orginal photo does nothing for them, and if somebody can be impowered by emulating them, honestly how can you be offended it. Dont honor a picture honor the men. FFS idiots.
Most people don’t “belive” in something? Uhhh….I believe the human race would like to talk to you.
the reason it could be viewed as offensive is that it makes parody of all the men who did not come home from that island. I am not homophobic. You could place any group in this picture and in some way it would still be making light of the sacrifices given. This is an iconic image that should not be taken for granted.
A lot of things are iconic for a lot of people.
Well it’s not like anybody is putting up nationally recognised memorials for all the gays that have been beaten, “treated” for insanity, or murdered in the course of US history simply for being gay. I can see the point of those who are offended but did you ever think maybe this photo was an attempt to connect to a culture that has until very recently treated the gay community as a blight?
As long as things like this http://www.PetitionOnline.com/kianaf/ (please sign) are necessary, I defy anyone to be offended.
Come on, whats the bid fuss? Alternative Iwo Jima-pictures have been made for years, take a look at Times:
http://www.pdnpulse.com/2008/04/time-marines-ra.html
As irony over Mc Donalds:
http://www.kovacevic.nl/blog/uploads/08042007234.jpg
Promoting Canada:
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/8111/anonflag.jpg
As art, with rainbowflag:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Rs4rPiCx0ls/SqJOFKn_RCI/AAAAAAAAAX0/aXNvUkZLu5A/s1600-h/DSCN0665.JPG
In games:
http://www.gamespot.com/users/Bad_Boyl2/view_image?id=a4YLsBon7hqV4B7nkA
Another with rainbowflag, promoting an anti-discriminationproject in EU:
http://www.s-info.se/page/about.asp?id=1686
Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2. First mission of the Soviet campaign opened with Soviet paratroopers ripping the American flag off an Iwo Jima monument and placing the hammer and sickle flag on it. I LOL’d.
Go tell it to the Marines!
Hmm. I’m not American and at first I didn’t recognise the picture until someone on here wrote that it was the one from the war where many people died..
I can’t help but to think of the people who are killed because they are gay. Same point, right?
Oh and btw, please enlighten me. I have never understood what homophobia is. Yes, it’s people who don’t like gays, but why not? I mean, what harm does gays do? You can be afraod of hights, that’s a biological instinct because you might fall and die. But gays? What’s so wrong with them? They don’t ruin anything.
Gayness is a virus. Get to close to gay people and you will be infected.
Or… some ridiculous crap like that, anyway.
Look at all the heads exploding right here in the comments!
…AND NOTHING OF VALUE WAS LOST.
Mighty gay picture. Hope their mothers are proud…
Love that pic, make for a wonderful painting to display at a Gay establishment where I go to. I’m not Military, but I was born into a Military Family, and yes, I’m Gay.
I am in the military and while I may not speak for everyone in the military I speak for myself, this is embarassing…. They are recreating a patriotic moment and turning into something gay. You know how many people died for those soldiers to be immortalized in that moment? And now you are making fun of it…. Embarassing.
True, but there are also a lot of homosexuals who are beaten and killed simply because they are attracted to someone of the same sex.
There’s points on either side, but starting with death tolls isn’t it.
You know how many gay soldiers died in that war? Me neither. Probably a bunch.
I find it interesting that in your mind, gay people =/= patriots. I know several gay individuals serving in the military. Maybe you even know them!
there are six people in the flag raising over Iwo Jima not four.
To everyone going “OMG IT’S TOTALLY COPYING THE IWO JIMA PICTURE! IT’S INSULATING IT!!! *FOAM FOAM FOAM*”, A) You are failing to remember that with a flag that big, that is the easiest way to put it in the ground and therefore they may not be trying to imitate the picture at all, and B) why assume the negative that it’s supposed to be insulting? Perhaps they are being symbolic. I’m Canadian and in history class we didn’t really look at that battle, but from what little I’ve read, lots of people died. To many in the gay community, the fight for basic human rights and the right to love is one worth fighting and maybe some would even die for it. If they are indeed imitating the Iwo Jima picture, I doubt they are trying to be insulting. They may be trying to make a point. And besides, as a budding artist, I know that one cannot copy-right a pose.
Don’t always assume the negative. It makes life so much worse.
…. Ok, typo fail on my part. Insulting. Not insulating. >.<; Stupid spell check, messing me up.
“IT’S INSULATING IT!!! *POLYSTYRENE FOAM FOAM FOAM*”
fixed that for ya
XDD Why thank you!
Not funny. The men in the original picture were literally ready to die for their country. Thousands did. I just feel that this picture takes away from the reality of the original. The reality being that 10′s of thousands of Americans died so that we can be whoever we want to be in this country. Disrespectful is the word I was looking for.
“The reality being that 10′s of thousands of Americans died so that we can be whoever we want to be in this country.”
… that’s the point of this picture, idiot… to be whoever you want to be without fear.
And what about the homosexuals who are also fighting for their country, fully knowing that they don’t have the same rights as their straight allies? That, to me, is far MORE patriotic than anything and really shows who much they love their country.
They do have the same rights as everyone else. Tell me one they don’t have. And marriage does not count. They have same right to marry that everyone who is straight does. I know you won’t be able to figure out why that’s true. It would make your head explode.
There DON’T have the right to marry though. They don’t have the right to all the legal stuff that comes with marriage through civil partnership, either. They also don’t have the right to announce their orientation in the US Armed Forces. In some places, they don’t even have the right to live.
No, they don’t have the rights as everyone else, and they won’t be able to live their lives in full so as long as we have a religious-based and ignorant leadership in many, many places.
How many homosexuals can walk through life without being hated upon? How many can run for major offices without having their sexuality govern whether they win or not? What about adoptions? There’s quite a few places that won’t let same-sex couples adopt. What about blood donations? Do you know how many homosexuals are turned away and now have their blood used simply because they love the same sex?
Tell me, exactly where in the world are you seeing all these same rights?
“How many homosexuals can walk through life without being hated upon?”—-How many women, black people, Jews, Muslims, white people, Christians, rednecks, men, humans can walk through life without being hated upon? Yeah. Living life with no adversity is not a right; almost every single community suffers from hate crimes or some type of discrimination. This is not a gay issue.
“How many can run for major offices without having their sexuality govern whether they win or not?” —-Again, who the hell runs for office -without- expecting every single aspect of their life (their religion, their sex, their race, their views, their family, their home) scrutinized and used as a reason to vote/not to vote for them? This is not a gay issue.
“What about adoptions?” There are plenty of adoption centers open to all types of people, and plenty that reserve the right to deny their services to anyone for any reason. Find one of the former. This is not a gay issue.
“What about blood donations?” I do know many gays aren’t allowed to donate blood. That’s unfortunate. Maybe this is one legitimate cause to fight for; however, this isn’t the result of homophobia but rather the theory (wrong or right) that gay men are slightly more likely to be infected with HIV than heterosexual men, on the basis of the easy tearing of the rectal tissues during anal sex. I realize this is a problem, but wouldn’t go as far as to call giving blood a human right that needs to be granted to everybody–it really isn’t that important.
To Xenon, marriage is not a right. Focus on getting civil partnerships available and equal in every state. Announcing your sexuality really isn’t something anyone should be doing, heterosexual, pansexual, bisexual, homosexual, people into BDSM, into ageplay, into scat, into what-the-hell-ever. Keep it in the bedroom.
It would take changing one law to open marriage to gays. It would take changing a LOT more to make civil partnerships equal to marriage. I’m going for the easier option.
Artical 16
http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/
No redneck here, sick to death of the whole “Mainstream the gay agenda”…
1/2 the draw of being queer is NOT being like everyone else. If everyone accepts it, and it becomes mainstream, what will all these gay folks want to do next?
Wow, you have no clue what you’re talking about, do you?
Um… probably live their lives happily knowing their rights are equal with everyone else. Shocker, right?
The picture is a fail. It’s a poor attempt at imitating something famous. If the photo sans caption is not a simple parody, then this is either a case of a misplaced set of ideals – comparing goals of a political movement to a military victory – or it is a deliberate attempt to incite offense. The first possibility is an incongruent comparison unless they feel somehow they are really at war with someone, the second is simply spitefulness. People who go out of their way to deliberately offend are certainly not making a good case for tolerance.
They may as well be at war. There is still a LOT of intolerance and hatred towards homosexuals in the world.
Sin is to be hated. I thought you would know that.
Yeah. I don’t consider homosexuality to be a sin in the slightest. Also, even if I did, so what? “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”
Argument fail. This isn’t a political battle. This is something called civil rights. Look it up, sweetie. And yes, this is one hell of a battle with many, many lives lost.
Sin is not a civil right, it’s just sin.
Ephesians 5:31 FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND SHALL BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH. (NASB ©1995)
Oh, you’re a “Christian.” You claim to be part of a religion that says “love thy neighbour” and yet you throw this crap at me.
“Hate the sin, not the sinner”
Guess what you guys are doing? Hating both.
Ephesians 5:31 FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND SHALL BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH. (NASB ©1995)
That’s Gods law for all people get used to it.
Yeah, God wouldn’t like you. Stop picking and choosing things that support your agenda.
Also, some people don’t believe in God/your God. Hate to break it to you.
Your god’s time is long past. Get used to it.
First off, I have many gay friends. I am also myself a veteran that has spent almost my adult life serving this country. Many of my friends are veterans as well. None of them would find this even remotely appropriate. It’s insulting, disgusting and shows a complete lack of respect both for themselves and for every man or woman that has died in service to their country. In many countries gays can’t be open, under criminal penalty, up to and including death. This is insulting to the very ideals this country is founded on and makes a mockery of everything Old Glory stands for. These twits obviously don’t seem to realize that it’s because of those men that died for that flag that hey have the right to be disrespectful, ungrateful morons. One can only hope they wake up.
“In many countries gays can’t be open, under criminal penalty, up to and including death.”
That’s the POINT. For an ex-soldier, you show a remarkable misunderstanding of what gays are fighting for. The right to live how they want to live. What were the soldiers at Iwo Jima doing but the same?
Oh yeah cause we all know millions of people died just to protect your right to be with men.Not to protect their friends,family,country or anything like that.
This picture yeah i get that they are making a point about gay rights and fighting for it but to replace the flag only states that that is all they are fighting for.Millions of people are fighting for things all around the country some just to live.You should be glad they have it so lucky and can be open and get married in some states.In other country’s they would be shot on sight.
“Oh yeah cause we all know millions of people died just to protect your right to be with men.Not to protect their friends,family,country or anything like that.”
What part of this (“The right to live how they want to live.”) did you not understand?
“to replace the flag only states that that is all they are fighting for.”
If they didn’t replace the flag, would you have any idea what these guys were fighting for?
“In other country’s they would be shot on sight.”
That’s the whole point. Gays aren’t just fighting for equality in their own country. They’re fighting for it EVERYWHERE. The photo this is a homage do was taken during a world war. In a sense, isn’t that what the battle for equal rights is? A war against every person around the world who believes that they are greater than someone else?
Nah, your head might be exploding upon seeing this, but he’s not sick in the mind like you.
He’s just off mourning the downfall of the U.S.A.
Who is sick in the mind, why are they and what downfall are you gibbering about?
This is incredibly disrespectful.
If you didn’t notice the flag you’re gay.
Inversely for – If you didn’t notice the flag after a solid minute you’re a (straight) chick. What is it about the fake sweat sheen?
I support their constitutional right to be beefcakes.
sizzling hot beefcakes.
Now it is the right wingers turn to get offended and scream and cry. I will tell you what I tell all the libs.
YOU DON’T HAVE THE F***ING RIGHT TO NOT BE OFFENDED!!! GET OVER IT!
I want to find out who made this and tear out their f***ing spinal columns while shredding their bodies in a meat grinder. But if there are any Iwo Jima vets who see this, I’m certain they would take care of it themselves. Comparing the fight for gay rights to this battle. I had no idea anyone could be that blatantly disrespectful. Just die.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure there would be a lot of Iwo Jima veterans who would approve of this. All they need is a brain to connect the dots and realise the symbolism. Maybe you can take that stick out of your arse and think for a moment.
Also, that comment could be taken in a very serious way. There’s threatening to take someone out in a way that makes it obvious it’s a joke, then there is your post.
Wow spacerat. The fact you took this that seriously only proves your ignorence. I myself personally dont give a damn about gay rights. But the fact you resonded like that is pathetic. What are you some kind little 12 yr old?? Grow up, its a joke that even your little gay friends would laugh at.
this is the s**t that pisses me off. This is a symbol of how we have our freedom. Now you are mocking it???? F*** being gay, if thats what you choose to be then so be it, you will meet your maker one day and that is all you are accounted to. LEAVE THINGS ALONE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT IS RECOGNIZING THOSE WHO DIED FOR stupid people like you and your ignorance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DISGRACE!!!!
Its real sad how most of you thought the raising of the flag had anything to do with “rights” It delt with the victory of the country you seem to love so much dispite all the bulls**t the US has given to you. You still follow it like a sad little puppy waiting for the scraps of the master. The fact you are for “gay rights” in the way you are only proves my theory. Not one single f** you seem to support wants to be gay, and yet they have the choice to stop. But they believe they were born that way, which is a bunch of bulls**t. No one’s born gay, it’s a choice you make. That choice wether you want to believe it or not will send you to hell. If I’m wrong about the existence of God then so be it I was wrong. But if you’re wrong, then I bid you a farewell and happy trails to hell with your fudge packer friends.
The fact of the matter is, The raising of the flag symblised the victory the US had in the war. No one was fighting for “rights” The point of the war was for the US to show others that they are just as powerfull.
So if you feel offended then fine be that way. But don’t come over the internet and bash someone over what they created out of pure humor. It’s sad and pathertic. Grow up. I bet you that if you child made something similar you would be laughing your ass’s off so stop acting so self rightous, grow some f***ing balls and learn to laugh at something every once in a while. Instead of takeing every f***ing thing that deal with the US so seriously.
Your entire post is rendered invalid by the fact that you’re a moron who doesn’t understand how homosexuality works.
This should have been titled, humor, some people have a sense of it.
Quite honestly it IS funny, and some people here proved the picture’s point. XD
First of all, I am a Marine. I believe in the Constitution and that it grants rights to all regardless of any lifestyle, race, creed or social label that may be applied. I live my life the way I want and so can you as long as we aren’t hurting each other; that’s what I fight for. Don’t give me any B.S. about this picture representing the struggle of homosexuals in society or attempt to bring “don’t ask, don’t tell” into the mix. Both those are specious in that they attempt to use an argument or debate to validate evidence (the photo) instead of the other way around. Bottom line: It is inflammatory and disrespectful. Of course the First Amendment protects the artists (if you can call them that) right to free speech, but it is clear that the artist has flagrantly forgotten the responsibility that is perpetually linked to liberty. This is easy to tell by the use of the derogatory phrase “red neck.” A term which actually came about in another struggle. That of coal mine workers in the south who rose up and started a rebellion against poor working conditions and social injustice in their communities perpetrated by their employers (allowed by bribed government officials). They wore red bandanas around their necks to see who was for the cause. Maybe before blindly insulting a large portion of the populace and disrespecting an image that signifies in and of itself the human struggle against tyranny and the pure display of valor on the battle field, this “artist” might think twice. …Not to say this single picture on a humor website can be considered earth shaking and incredibly important to society, but I find it necessary to speak up when there seem to be misguided thoughts and perceptions directed at a group that I proudly belong to.
I think you’ve mistaken the person who created the picture with the person who turned it into a demotivational poster. *taps the Marine’s skull to see if there’s anything in there*
Actually probably not, I’ve had to deal with a few homosexuals who treat anyone heterosexual like a homophobic redneck. Chances are high the person who took the photo and those that participated in it are about the same.
But I guess someone can’t show indignant nerd rage even when it’s mostly justifiable?
I’ll then retire to playing my Pogermanz Gamez cause tbh now I’ve had enough of Very Demotional atm.
Okay, all the drama this has caused seems to me like a bunch of horse rubbish. What this picture seems to symbolize is people standing up and defending gay rights, just like our soldiers give their lives to defend our country. I am not gay, but I support gay rights, including gay marriage. Go ahead and hate me all you want. If this is the land of the free, why do we take freedoms away from certain groups of people in our country?
Right, and you’re so open-minded? I happen not to agree with the homosexual lifestyle. That does not make me “homophobic.” You do realize that literally means afraid of homosexuals, right? I can not agree with someone without being afraid of them. I guess you’re narrow-minded comments make you afraid of conservatives, right?
several mind numbing minutes of comment reading later (I spaced out halfway though to be honest) and there’s one thing I still don’t comprehend.
Why is this considered disrespectful when every other recreation of the flag raising at Iwo Jima is seen as funny, respectful, patriotic, or even sexy.
It’s been done in TV shows, fashion shoots, magazine covers, cartoon strips, alcohol ads, slapstick comedies, fart-joke comedies, and at least 1 Lingerie ad… just to name a few. At no point were those instances declared horrific, disrespectful, or degrading.
So can someone please explain why the gay nature of this one makes it automatically disrespectful when a handful of Victoria’s Secret models can do it without the same response?
Anyone?
Who the f*** says it wasn’t disrespectful when the Victoria’s Angels did it? Of course it was, and for the same reasons it’s disrespectful here. Why on earth would you assume everyone turns the other way when hetero people do it and only get offended when homo people do it? Victoria’s Angels didn’t do it in a space with a comments section, and certainly not on a site as popular as this one. Neither did all the many “TV shows, fashion shoots, magazine covers, cartoon strips, alcohol ads, slapstick comedies, and fart-joke comedies,” not that I’ve personally seen it on any of these mediums. Stop seeing malice and bigoted intentions around every corner.
There are people–whole organizations, actually–who speak out and protest whenever something deemed sacred is desecrated on TV or in the media or whatever, and definitely not just when the gays do it. Every non-violent action of expression is protected in the ol’ US of A, but that doesn’t mean such actions are decent or respectful or should be performed, or that no one says anything about it.
Did anyone else notice the baby-shaped cloud??
People, it’s just a photo. While I find this pic f***ing amazing, it’s not that big a deal. All it is, is a modified reenactment of a famous scene to further emphasize their point.
Some of you need to calm down and eat a cookie or something, seriously.
whoever posted this picture basically just pissed on the American Flag and the graves of the Iwo Jima hero’s. not being homophobic just wished they used a different photo
This isn’t the actual Iwo Jima photo…
correction in that picture a Marine sniper is about to feel some recoil (meanin 4 gay men bout to die)
Damn, guys! Is it really worth fighting over? It’s not meant to be offensive, it’s a joke! What I do find offensive, though, is all the degrading of southerners. Seriously, guys. Not cool. And I also agree with
” Random”.
ok im stating the obvious again but it looks like a Yaoi flag *runs away before killed*
OH COME THE F**K ON!
Just f**king see the symbolism! The gay rights movements is a struggle, not as big as a war, but as important, and longer. Since the dawn of sociaty gay man and women have been outcasted. And even now they kill them in Iran and Colombia, and maybe in some other places. Thay beat them, take away they their kids, humilliate them, and i could go on!
In most places you cant get full benefits if you decide to come out. I’m afraid of coming out because talking with my cousins they said that the would beat anyone in the family to a bloody pulp if they “decide” to be gay.
And also, you little queens get your heads out of your fisted asses and realize that you can’t make everyone to agreer with you. And is the same thing with homophobes.
Sexual freedom is equal to freedom of speech, and race equality.
I’m pretty liberal myself, and I find this quite offensive. It’s not that I’m against gay people, I’m really not, it’s just I’m strongly against the altering of these kind of pictures in such a manner, because it’s disrespectful to the Marines, and Corpsman, who raised the American flag on Iwo Jima.
No-one altered anything.
True. Background, forground, men in the pic. All different.
I don’t understand why people are offended. It’s not like it’s the actual picture and they altered it.
The Iwo Jima picture was a representation of America’s accomplishment.
The message this picture is saying is; if America can get over it’s prejudices, that’s an accomplishment.
its an insult to the men that died to raise that flag its an insult to every single person who fought in that war not just the americans all the allied forces worked together to defaet an enemy
Damn… those guys are hot! I wish I was a guy right now… mmmm!
oh hellz yessss
(to bad they’re gay, perfectly good waste of hotness)
Moar for me!
-Drools-
haters gonna hate (;
this is an insult to the men that died and all the vets that fought in ww just think they died with many allies from many different countries so the nazis and japs wouldnt rule the world
Uhh… I’m gay, and this pisses me off.
What do homosexuals have to conquer? How can you possibly compare the “struggle” for LGBT equality to fackin’ WORLD WAR 2, the most bloody and intense conflict in history?
I may be a homosexual, but I’m also a PATRIOT! This picture is bullcrap to the highest degree.
Oh, and that so-called “Gay Pride” thing, in my opinion, is nothing more than a bunch of gays who are INTENSELY insecure about their sexuality, so they have to shove it in everybody’s faces so that they don’t feel “oppressed.”
… but, that’s just my opinion :p
Oh what to say. I don’t think gay people have the same level of difficulty in what they want to accomplish as the marines in the orginal photo. I mean really, fighting the Japanese verses wanting the right to get married, which is already granted in some places. I am personally not a supporter of gay marriage but I don’t hate them either. So do not say I am intolerant or anything like that. I just don’t support the choices but at the same time I’m not going to hurt them either.
Somewhere a Nun is crying.
I’m known to be an LGBT activist, and a minister more than willing to perform same sex marriages when the politicians get their head out of their ass and stop blocking their rights, but this picture goes a bit too far.
first fail
First tard in this thread maybe.
im pretty sure there’s been alot more fails before this guy, so not first fail!
Actually, just one fail.
Their sexuality seems to be a big point of your life if you’re that disgusted by them and you just tried to force your worldview on everyone on this site. Since you object to homophobe, how about simply ignorant? People are people. Their race, gender, sexuality, whatever has NOTHING to do with their personality. Some gays are like that, yes. However, some heterosexuals are like that, some people make it ALL about the colour of their skin etc, etc, etc. Grow up and learn about the world.
Maybe if people like you weren’t so interested in vilifying us for it, we wouldn’t need to rally around it.
Batman…?
1. Learn to spell.
2. Learn grammar.
3. Stop being a homophobe.
4. America is one of the few militaries in the world with a policy forbidding homosexuals from openly admitting that fact.
*hands you a blank cheque* Get to it.
Excuse me, not extremely toned, some are in good shape, the black dude must really work out a lot.
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