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well thats because they belong in the kitchen, making ME! a sandwhich!
of not…
Theserenity is in ur comments, using caps and exclamation points in odd places!
he also spelt sandwich wrong…
…and ThaSilentNinja spelled “spelled” wrong.
You must be American; “spelt” is correct. Look it up.
you must be an idiot spelt is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelt some food stuff. Spelled is http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spelled
“Spelled” and “Spelt” are both correct. “Spelled” is correct and most commonly used in North American. “Spelt” is also correct and most commonly used in rest of the world. We can always get into debate about “Honor” and “Honour” or “Color” and “Colour”, North Americans always change s**t around. Like Real “Football” to “Soccer” . Personally, I rather use the original grammar! Cheers!
Don’t forget time format. The world adapts 24-hour.
“Commonly used in rest of the world” – Actual empirical data or it didn’t happen.
O hell yea. ^science win.
EMPIRICAL data? you mean like EXACT data…
Well if you have the time to ask everyone…
p.s. oxford dictionary (the accepted source of the english language) spells it ‘spelled’
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/spell?rskey=jJ8OL3&result=1#m_en_gb0799040
if you want to write spelt, make your own damn language
Who turned them into the “official” institution of english language? Is it because they are in the first “peace of earth” where the language got born or because they have some kind of “I named=it’s mine” argument? Go study some linguistics, read those chapters about linguistic pluralism. Language evolves, changes, go read something in “english” from 1516…
lol ” North Americans always change s**t around.” Don’t pile the two english speaking countries in North America together. One has kept the Queen’s English as close as possible and the other changed s**t around.
And I agree with you about using the original grammar.
Cheers
ok first off both spelled and spelt are correct. and second you can not blam people for their raisings. and america is the melting pot where all different kinds of people come from all over the world. dont start putting a whole country down just because you don’t like the way things are done there. just shut your mouth and stay in your own country then.
Calm down, “this is stupid”. I’m pretty sure Madcat was just joking. It’s kind of like this big joke for all the real grown-ups of the world. US Americans change s**t around. It’s kind of historal fact.
And yes, I am a US American, too. It’s okay. Really.
Really? I thought you would have been a GERMAN American, how silly of me! But yeah, even though two countries speak the same language, each country has their own “sub-language” that only their country uses. Like football. The English use the word football to refer to soccer, while the Americans use it to refer to gridiron.
it wasn’t the US that dubbed Futbol as soccer… Soccer is Soccer, because it is AsSOCiation Football… do a little research
Actually, soccer was originally called soccer by… the British.
actually, i’m pretty sure we say football, it’s on a cup somewhere…
Actually, he’s right. North Americans didn’t just pull the word “soccer” out of our asses.
http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/06/the-origin-of-the-word-soccer/
So the upper class called it “soccer” and the low class called it “football”. Oops.
Actually, its was called football and it was refering to rugby and “soccer” as it is now, after several years they split the sports and got different names.
Both spelt and spelled are correct. In UK they use spelt and in US because Americans are dumb and require things to be simple they use spelled.
Actually, American English is a lot closer to standard english than british english is…look it up…
You do realize that the Brits had English before the US did, right? I think they’re entitled to their own method of spelling, especially since we dumbed the whole language down.
Sigh… we didn’t “dumb down” the English language. The differentiation in spelling came about because of the proliferation of printing presses. The lack of a spelling standard added to the lack of national communication lead to spellings based on local pronunciation.
Actually, there was no such thing as standard English until a certain Samuel Johnson came along that English (as in what we speak in ENGLAND) began the journey to formalisation. Was is spoken in the states is most similar to the Sussex Dialect of English. Not that is is English, it’s American and is it’s own language in the same way that French and Quebecois are different.
“Not that is is English, it’s American and is it’s own language in the same way that French and Quebecois are different.”
You were on the right track until you said that. American English vs British English and French vs Quebecois is a dialect thing, they’re not different languages. To be a different language you’d have to have an entirely different set of vocabulary, and your grammar forms would have to be different, different enough that it would very hard to understand one another unless some serious study was put into learning.
tl;dr: learn to linguistics noob.
I’m not one to criticize spelling (or grammar) normally, but when you wrongly criticize someone else’s spelling…. then you’re fair game.
ThaSilentNinja was quite correct in his spelling when he said ‘spelt’. I suggest you look it up. It may not be common in the USA anymore, but it is a valid past participle of ‘spell’ and, in Britain, is still the more commonly used of the two.
Doesn’t mean that using ‘spelled’ would have been wrong, but it was wrong to say that ‘spelt’ is incorrect.
“Spelt” is correct.
No he didn’t.
Actually ‘Spelt’ is the correct tense usage of the word.
UK extraction, grammar national socialist.
It is spelled spelt!
Actually, in england, we say ‘spelt’ not ‘spelled’
No he didn’t, spelt is correct, spelled is a more common version, but both are correct
Actually, in my country, that is correct. We’re not all Americans.
By the way, you’re all forgetting the “u” in colour, favourite, humour, etc.
you spelled spelled wrong.
spelt is incorrect… it’s the same idea as burned and burnt…. It’s correct to say I burned toast not I burnt toast…. He should say he spelled sandwich wrong… It would be correct to say sandwich was spelt wrongly. I win… yay!
I’d love to see you shove that sandwich up your ass so far you’ll be able to taste it. Douche.
Kinky
i have some bad news for you..
Not if Theserenity is a chick.
if Theserenity is a girl she shouldn’t be in the on the internet but in the kitchen making somebody a sandwich
You sexist little *bleep*
Chickendans isn’t being sexist. He’s proving a point.
American English wins. Why? Because if it wasn’t for Queen’s English(which most Brits don’t use anyways), nobody would understand a damn word you uk’ers say.
Besides, Americian English is in no way a “dumbed” down version of English, especially considering English is originally a lazy dialect of German anyways.
olde english is to german as deep southern accent(known as ebonics elsewhere) is to American english.
Soccer is the original British name for Soccer, by the way. You guys started calling it football at some point and we continued to call it soccer.
and all because thasilentninja decided to type the word ‘spelt.’ smdh.
Actually you need to stop being grammar nazis and learn that a deep southern accent is not known as ebonics, ebonics is more of what they would use in rap music, go look it up dude, google is your friend.
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Vanillas don’t understand scenes such as this. They think if she is being tied up it is must be because he wants to harm and disrespect her. We kinky folk see a different motivation- it is because he desires her and wants to possess her. She is a love object. Like in romance novels, the hero ravishes the girl not as an act of hatred- but because he is in madly love. Its a Crime of Passion. Such games are so women can have a “nice guy” who is a “bad boy” in bed.
…wow
That’s what I tell my goats.
BAHAHA. totally made my night with that comment!
What the hell is a vanilla? I’m guessing I want to be one.
vanillas are people who dont have any form of kinky sex.
They also end up in the hospital less often with items they can’t extract on their own.
My girlfriend is a nurse. At least one a week comes in.
This doesn’t even make sense. If they couldn’t extract the object “on their own” how could they be role playing? It requires a partner. You’re talking people masturbating with objects like coke bottles, which is not even BDSM related. I have been to many play parties and events and nobody ever ended up in the hospital. Get a book like “screw the roses send me the thorns” and get educated before you get close-minded and judgmental.
She’s given me enough details to know they weren’t alone, especially when they are not driven by themselves, and they come in with red marks all over them suggesting some kind of flagellation, and portions of their body compressed and red as if they were strapped down or tied up.
I don’t care what you do to get your jollies, don’t act as if everyone else has to enjoy what you people do.
You tell em Justice. Goodness knows God fearing folks like us have never engaged in a threesome or had any sort of fantasy scenario in bed, engaged in oral sex or had a preference for a specific race or hair color. Hell we Vanillas don’t even engage in “The Act” unless it’s for good old fashioned procreation. You Kinky folk are just wrong!
It’s not BDSM related, but someone “vanilla” wouldn’t do that. So, it falls into the category of the “kinky” ones. You don’t have to be into S&M to be kinky, douche.
This doesn’t make sense. If they’re “on their own” when the item was inserted then they obviously weren’t role playing a BDSM scene, which requires a partner. You’re speaking of stupid people solo-masturbating with exotic objects. That has nothing to do with BDSM.
I’m assuming “on their own” means it got stuck and they needed a physician to remove it. Think about that episode of Scrubs with the guy who had a light bulb in his ***
At my medical school in Texas we used to call it the “Rectal Horror Picture Show” because of the interesting X-rays these people would have.
Funny, didn’t see it as much in SoCal in residency. Despite the famed Richard Gere gerbil.
If you don’t know, you probably are one.
I like how even though you have an alternative sexual style that you want respected, you have no respect for “vanillas” who ask simple questions.
Vanillas understand, we just don’t get turned on by it. Most of us don’t need pain to experience pleasure.
People who explore various facets of their sexuality usually don’t ‘need’ them to enjoy themselves.
Just like food doesn’t need flavour to be sating.
Being tied up usually doesn’t hurt, and whips aren’t necessarily for causing pain. Not everyone who likes kinky sex is a sadist.
That doesn’t compute. Pain is a turn off for many people, if not most. That’s a sensory trigger, not a palette difference.
If you had to dress in a leather mask and beat yourself to enjoy food, there we go, that’s a good example.
I’m sure it doesn’t. Yet we’re into it anyway. Imagine that…!
Justice, by your many posts and even by your name I can see you were abused by a male, thus are very hysterical and reactionary on this topic. I can bet the male who abused you was not in the BDSM scene. Real abusers almost never are, and prefer disguise themselves as regular guys. My friends date vanilla men who insult, belittle, cheat, and abuse them all the time. I, however, have never been mistreated by a Dominant male.
For one example, look at Mr “Make Me a Sandwich” up there. He’s not into the kink scene at all, and yet is perfectly capable of disrespecting women.
He isn’t actually disrespecting women, its just an internet joke that everybody says on topics such as this. There is a difference between humor and disrespect and most people don’t seem to understand that anymore, hence why all white people are now considered racist…
Sexist jokes are still sexist, no matter how often they are repeated.
I wasn’t talking about the joke, i was talking about the person.
Wow. Someone is touchy. And judgmental. After all, being a poor kid who was abused sexually as a young person as you suppose, I would henceforth be a VICTIM, someone not in control of their circumstances. You are a wonderful person, blaming victims and all. Hey you raped woman, you’re a bad person!
My reactions to the posts of people who just enjoy regular sex as being called a “vanilla” is pointing out that the very people who want acceptance (sado masochism, bondage, or hell, kinky foreplay which me and my GIRL friend are very much interested in) are attacking the very people they demand acceptance from.
And no, I was never abused by a male. That’s something you would probably enjoy though.
Justice 1) No one said victims were asking for it. You are crazy and making that up. 2) Scene people are normal couples with regular jobs and lives who are harmlessly enjoying a *fantasy.* Safe sane and consensual. 3) People often like to play their opposite in bed. Much like sub males, sub females are usually independent, educated, have their own money, and sometimes run their own business. So why don’t you go mind yours?
Bc a woman is submissive doesn’t mean she tolerates any form of abuse in real life.
All is not as it appears in the BDSM scene. Many are surprised to learn that “dragon lady” at the office with her keen eye, sharp wit, who takes no crap and never backs down, is actually a kittenish submissive in bed.
You implied, at some point I was abused by a male. Being a sexual topic, one can only take this as a sexual molestation type of abuse. Children often develop pathologies at a young age do to emotional and physical distresses. Your inference was that these happened to me, and therefore something myst be wrong with me, which is where I get the blaming the victim attitude from you. You never would have said that to a molested or raped woman.
My comment didn’t appear, it might later, but whatever, I’m posting again.
First up, nope, never abused by a male. I had a hot teacher in 7th grade I wish did, but she never did. Poor me. Anyways…
If I were an abused child like you suppose, wouldn’t that make me a victim? Wouldn’t you henceforth be blaming the victim? Wouldn’t that make you like Mel Gibson who says if you dress provocatively then it’s your fault if you get raped by a pack of n***ers?
People who blame victims can’t be that mentally stable. You also must be extremely thinned skinned to take such strong offense. having thin skin isn’t a good thing if you like getting whipped by the way.
Okay, if three replies appear, my other two got eaten. They didn’t show up as waiting for moderation either.
Basically, by saying I was abused by a male, supposedly as a child as you are inferring, you’ve now adopted the “blame the victim” mentality. How gracious and understanding of you.
Justice
Why is it you’re home all day playing on the computer while your girlfriend is hard at work nursing? I’m assuming she supports your lazy behind. As the saying goes “Beware of the man who praises women’s liberation. He’s about to quit his job.”
wtf is wrong with you?!! You know nothing about Justice, yet you are making up an entire profile about them. Are you deranged? Leave this person alone, and stop pulling bs outta your ass.
Sitakali and Justice are probably the same person. Look, I’ve explained all I can explain to you but you’ve made up your mind that all BDSM’ers are woman-hating, woman-abusing perverts and just don’t want to hear the facts.
We were not the ones to start the judging- the title of this post suggests that all kinky people disrespect women.
Constant blaming, accusations of child abuse, theories of multiple personality complexes, and there’s a few more interesting traits but I won’t get into those.
Basically you missed the point that using the term vanilla, a derogatory description of people who do not have any kinky sex, the definition of which can vary wildly, is the whole reason this all got started. Don’t push if you don’t want to get shoved.
No one ever said that “vanilla” was a derogatory term. You came to that conclusion on your own.
Yeah “Vanilla” isn’t any more derogatory that “Kinky” or “Yellow” or “Young” it’s a descriptor to explain a state. You can make an inferrence with it implying that being more or less vanilla is somehow superior or inferior but the word itself isn’t derogatory.
I work afternoons and weekends lady. My gf is visiting family in Florida. Good luck with your apparent persecution complex and all.
good on ya man
sorry kelly, its not quite what you’re saying, its how you’re saying it, in degratory terms towards justice, then saying that he would make another profile just to back himself up is a below the belt shot! heres an idea, pay attention to your own life, instead of profiling others, then you might just get your head screwed on straight, oh by the way, im NOT justice
vanilla is my fave ice cream!
No, to blame the victim is to say that the victim is at fault, and brought about his/her own victimization. A heinous thing to say in the event of any serious crime, one that no one in this thread has even hinted at.
On the other hand, to infer that you may have been victimized by a man, and that this may explain your hostility toward alternative sexualities in which men dominate women – well, there’s no blame assigned when that is said. Nice little straw man you’ve got there, though.
Ah, good, that last one didn’t get eaten. Continuing…
You can do whatever the hell you want with your own body. Just because you may like being tied up and put in a leather mask doesn’t mean the rest of us will. The majority of posts in this thread are responses to being called “vanilla”. I assure you my girlfriend and I have quite the fascination for levels of erotic foreplay. However we don’t need to confine one another, tie up, or “punish” each other to enjoy what we’re doing.
Saying “vanilla” implies a person eats plainly with no satisfaction. Vanilla ice cream may not satisfy you, but many people like it very much. You’re doing more to separate and isolate yourself that way than anyone else could have done to you. Good job there. You also need to re-read your posts in suggesting you “the woman that got raped deserves it” type response you gave me.
Your comment is entirely inappropriate, trying to understand somebody’s psychological history from their screenname?! Never ever bring somebody else’s abuse, especially sexual abuse, into a conversation when it has nothing to do with the topic. That is outrageous!
Even if you were right, that is none of your business. The fact that you were completely wrong about absolutely everything just makes it funnier.
lol ralf. good one. Why are people so narrow-minded and judgmental? They’ve never been to a play party, read a book on the topic, or even known a kinky couple well, yet they presume to know all about it.
Sheeh. If you have never in your life busted out with a pair of fuzzy handcuffs, or feather tickler, or a sleep mask, or experimented with spanking, then your bedroom is boring and a place to be pitied.
Not that you’re judgemental or anything.
Kelly, you know nothing about what us “vanillas” do in the bedroom. All you know is that we don’t use whips and chains several times a day. Get over yourself. You cannot know what a person’s psychology or lifestyle is like simply from the fact that they don’t like an ad depicting a woman being chained up.
You tell us that our bedroom is a place to be pitied, yet how dare we judge you back!
How about this: You are an overly judgmental, thin-skinned person who thinks that it is impossible for sex to be fun, wonderful, intimate or spiritual without whips and chains, and assumes that people who don’t boast about using handcuffs have never used them. See? At least all my assumptions are based directly off of the comments you have made.
Frankly… I see lots of hating going on both ways here, as always happens on hot button topics, such as sexuality. Though for the record… I think “Vanillas” as we’ve called them have very little to really cry foul about on the whole “judgemental” factor… like Caucasians in the USA really can’t cry foul now that other racial/ethnic groups are starting to get the better paying jobs and access to better educations now and that barrier is being broken. Until you’re being rounded up and chained into dank ships and forced into a life of servitude until you die, you have no right to complain. Or the religious community can’t really call oppression now that science is moving in to replace it. Until scientists are torturing you to confess yourself as heretics and burning you at the stake… I don’t think you’re being that oppressed really. These paradigms shift continually throughout human history, it’s time to pay attention to it and thank whatever you believe in that you’re not being treated that way and do your best to keep going.
No one has to my knowledge, ever been truly discriminated against for being “vanilla”. No one “vanilla” has been arrested because their way of making love has been outlawed. No one “vanilla” has been ostracized as being a freak and lost their good names. I don’t even speak of just the BDSM community here either, I speak of all alternative sexualities. It’s all around us. In more than a couple countries, homosexuality is still illegal. In more than a few countries, BDSM is considered illegal. “Vanilla” is illegal no where to my knowledge, so for those into “normal” sex, I’m sorry but just because some BDSM people get a bit prickly you really, really don’t have that much of a right to cry foul, and maybe try and understand exactly why we get so defensive. You’re just into traditional sexual activity and are called “vanilla” because it means bland, sort of ordinary. I can see where that’d be offensive being called that, and that regular sex is great. And if that’s what you’re into, go for it! More power to you! However, that’s just one word. Try “freak” on for size. Try “sicko”, or “pervert” out too, try someone editing the Wikipedia page on your sexuality and filling it with messages saying how you’re all condemned to hell for your disgusting, evil ways. You see why we get defensive yet?
On the other hand, for the pro-BDSM and alternative sexuality advocates in this thread, this sort of thing does not help the cause. You can explain why you’re offended, why wouldn’t you be? Same with them when they’re insulted, but throwing the insults back and forth and name calling does nothing to help. It just gives them more ammunition and makes us look just as bad to the moderates. I feel the stab and twist in my gut whenever I hear/read/see things that encourage people to view me negatively or hear/read/see their negative comments for what I can’t help. Having your first girlfriend recoil from you in terror the first time you try and share one of your most intimate secrets with her and just desperately want her to understand you is one of the most painful things anyone can bear, but I’ve learned to turn the other cheek after all these years, I encourage everyone else to as well.
I also dislike the continual assumption that BDSM is always a male dominating a female. Gender is not nearly as important in BDSM, but it’s dom to sub. A dom straight male is going to want a sub straight female, just as a dom homosexual male is going to want a sub homosexual male. Is the dom homosexual male also sexist against his own gender? How about lesbians? How about relationships in which it’s the girl who’s the dom and the girl who’s the sub?
I am proudly a soft BDSMer. I don’t like whips and chains, I don’t like pain, I like giving pleasure. I like the artistry of what I do, and I’m currently in a wonderful relationship with a girl who shares my interests. We’re not freaks. We’re not evil. I’m working on my MA in History, and she’s finishing up her nursing degree and hopes to be a midwife someday. I could never expect someone who’s not into it to completely understand, just as I could never expect to understand the point of view of someone not into it what I am. And that’s okay. The key is tolerance, not indoctrination, not which is better, but equality, isn’t it?
Finally, we all have to toughen our skins. This is an advertisement, albeit a really stupid one. It is meant to both titillate and offend in one to get people to notice it. Nothing more. It happens to feature an attractive woman because that grabs people’s attention, and it features bondage because it’s something that stirs deeper feelings as well, it’s a rhetorical device, no more, no less. A poorly thought out and offensive rhetorical device on a number of levels, but that was PETA’s choice, not ours, and not much anyone can really do about it.
You, my friend, are fantastic. Well-said.
thanks LD, had to get it all out. Nice to know that there’s other like minded people here. This is probably one of the craziest threads I’ve watched in a while…
All very well said. Don’t worry, you are far from alone…
I Rated Down this Demotivational because it appears to claim that BDSM practicioners are sexist and disrespectful toward women. This is both utterly wrong and terribly offensive. However, it could be that the inferance was not intentional – there are certainly people who would consider the use of a sexualised, semi-naked woman in an ad campaign as inherently disrespectful towards her gender. I don’t really know a lot about PETA, so I can’t comment about their general advertising.
That said, I like the original poster a lot. The entire thrust of the advert (which the creater of this ‘LOL’ likely either didn’t get or chose to ignore) is that S&M and bondage are NOT equivalent to the abusive use of whips and chains on unconsenting victims, and that BDSM represents a right and positive use for the same equipment. This kind of unusually positive attitude has got to be a good thing.
Good job, kleinnak.
Only one thing I don’t know…what does “BDSM” stand for…?
I understand what it is, but I don’t know what it’s called…
Laugh if you must, although I don’t know every acronym in the world, alright?
Nah, I’m not going to laugh at you for asking an honest question. A question asked in the interest of gaining knowledge can never be a stupid question. BDSM has a couple variations of meaning, BD typically standing for BonDage or Bondage/Domination. S stands for Sadism and M stands for Masochism. It is sort of a catchall term to apply to a very, very broad ranging sexuality.
Not to imply you don’t know, but I’ll just explain what those all mean as well in case others don’t and thus save them the trouble of asking. Bondage refers to the act of tying up or being tied up by your lover as a sexual act. Domination refers to exerting your authority over another or having someone else subjugate you (willingly of course both ways, which I know sounds like an oxymoron but really when it just applies to the bedroom, it isn’t). And finally there is Sadism and Masochism or deriving pleasure from giving or receiving pain accordingly.
For those in the BDSM community, we’re all pretty well somewhere in the middle of all of those. I personally lean pretty much towards the first one. I don’t like pain and i don’t like even pretending I control someone else. I like the artistry of good rope-work and the power of the trust inherent in such a relationship, to have someone trust you that much is a really beautiful thing. But that doesn’t mean I’m not going to give my girlfriend the occasional playful swat on the behind either just to change pace every now and then, you know? And it doesn’t mean she won’t return that favor every now and then either, haha. Anyway, I hope that was at least a little helpful for you and anyone else into understanding a bit of the discussion here.
That was rather helpful.
Cheers.
I like you
For some of us, it has nothing to do with pain, and everything to do with pleasure… I am what some would call ‘kinky’, but I’ve never, ever had the desire to be hurt or in pain… I like being tied up, spanked, you name it, but I don’t like acutally being in pain… it’s all in my head, it’s the idea and the situation that turns me on… And I think the term, ‘Vanilla’ is derogatory… Vanilla is my favorite flavor of ice cream! There is nothing wrong with Vanilla… I think everyone should stop being so determined to label everything, and just accept the fact that everyone is different, so therefore people will like different things. And that’s what makes life awesome! Yay, diversity!
Seriously, it really isn’t derogatory. At least I don’t mean it as such. I used to be “vanilla” myself, till an ex got my into it, and i have never regretted it.
for me, BDSM isn’t about pain, it is about trust, my girlfriend trusts me enough to put her safety in my hands and i trust her with my safety. we do some pretty kinky stuff, but we know exactly what the other is comfortable with and take great pains to not step beyond that.
BDSM isn’t for everyone and vanilla can be plenty of fun, you may not understand why we (people who practice BDSM) do what we do or why we like it, but please, don’t knock it till you try it.
I’m into the whole BDSM I don’t NEED pain to experience pleasure either but I do enjoy it quite a bit. I would also like to make a point that BDSM isn’t all about pain. It can be incredibly sensual and wonderful experience between two people that love and trust each other. Or it can be a real freakfest
So…it’s cool to possess a girl as an object then?
Pretty much what they’re saying, yup.
And amazingly, some women – intelligent, self-aware women – long to be possessed.
The desire to have someone as your boyfriend, girlfriend, or husband wife is the desire to possess them – you are in essence, saying I want you to be mine, all mine, sexually and emotionally, forsaking all others. Love is selfish- it is also the highest compliment one human being can pay another.
not
aye kelly, i agree
Now that’s some pretty fascinating logic there.
No one said that! I’m a BDSM sub, and I know that my boyfriend doesn’t look at me as an object. Outside of the bedroom, I wear the pants, so to speak. You’re just making assumptions.
Kelly, marry me now.
It’s not that, it’s the fact that Peta doesn’t seem to have one ad campaign that doesn’t use the sexualization of women to try and prove their point. It’s that fact that whenever women are involved in a public peta campaign, their portrayed as little more than breathing sex toys.
like ^^^
+1
“She is a love object.”
so… you’re objectifying sexy people?
in which case, the poster’s completely correct. well, the addition, anyway. it’s okay to objectify sexy people but not animals, damnit!
(ps, why vanilla? why not, like, sherbert? or chunky munky?)
Any time you look a person you do not know, and find them sexy, you are seeing them as an object. You are attracted to them based on looks alone. There is nothing wrong with this. It is normal to be attracted to an attractive person. You also, hopefully, also have the desire get to know them better and to bond with this person emotionally as well as intellectually. This is the drive put into humans so we will fall in love, raise families, and build a society. No shame in it.
Just shut up alright? You’re clearly like 15 or something. You don’t know anything. Stop talking.
The text Kelly posted is already there. You telling her to shut up does not change anything. In fact, it calls attention to her post, which appears to be the the opposite of your message. Therefore, you are absurd.
So what the hell is your problem?? You used the term “like” where it is useless. The word “like” means “similar to”. Using “like” in non-applicable context is general done by who? Oh, yeah. TEENAGERS. So by saying “You’re clearly, like, 15 or something”, you’ve implied that you’re in the same age group. Also, fifteen-year-olds know nothing now? That’s a tad bit ridiculous, hm? A fifteen-year-old who knows nothing is a dead fifteen-year-old. Kindly stop talking out of your ass.
Says the person who can’t spell believe.
I won’t speak for anyone else but I know I didn’t talk like Kelly does when I was 15. She seems to have her head on pretty straight and I happen to agree with her 100%
It was a quote from a San Francisco Reverend who said something to the effect that he likes his sex like he likes his ice cream. The Local BDSM community originally used it in an ironic negative context but it just became a common terminology and began to spread outwards through other communities.
I just want to point two things out from your comment, Kelly.
“She is a love object.”
Nice.
By the way, “crime of passion” isn’t romantic at all. It usually involves manslaughter or attempted manslaughter in a fit of anger or despair. It implies severe pain and / or death.
Congratulations.
Hm. Yes. Well, you sound like a really nice guy and all, and I want to tell you I like you a lot, but I think we should just remain friends.
*yawns daintily*
You definitely have a very high opinion of yourself and your collection of earth friendly whips.
“Making a killing” referrs to a financial windfall. “Being at Peace” is often used as an expression for death. Sometimes language is used in a figurative manner. In this case I don’t beleive Kelly was being literal but implying that “she” is being objectified as method of unleashing her ego and sexualizing herself. We all know that she is an object. The word “she” is a noun, it could only be used to describe soemthing that is an object.
You can have whatever fantasies played out in the bedroom, that’s fine (as long as it’s consensual). But when you’re posting billboards about women (yes, always WOMEN) being bound up, comparing her to a circus animal (which is abused frequently) and explaining how tying up a woman is okay, but not a circus animal, it has a certain message to it.
By the way, desire and possession are two different things. I don’t see why bdsm needs to have anything to do with possession. A human being cannot, and should not, ever possess another human. It is a bad state of mind that can lead to the violence that we see in the world around us – where men always think they “own” women.
This isn’t a “scene”. This is a billboard. It’s not one man (or woman) tying up a woman in intimacy. It’s a woman tied up and on display for any person to fantasise about whatever violent things they want to do to her. It’s encouraging a mindset that we need to get rid of in this society.
yeah i wrote that before i saw sitakali’s post. yes. i agree. with all of that.
As true as this is, the hypocrites will keep right on thinking that “progressivism” is allowing stupid s#!t like this poster to pass for “Okay”.
so true you rock!
So women have your permission to be kinky as long as they have the good sense to be ashamed of it, and to remain closeted? I’ll be sure and tell all the sexually submissive women I know, and I’m sure they’ll appreciate the *cough cough* respect you’ve shown them.
What comment were you reading? When you decide to respond to the one I wrote, then you may reply. In the mean time go build your straw mans somewhere else.
lol, sorry. Straw *men*
So you didn’t just criticize a kinky woman for expressing her sexuality publicly? You didn’t just state that her expression of her sexual nature would be fine in a scene, but not in public? If not, then I have no understanding of what you *did* say.
Nope, didn’t say either of those things. Perhaps if you stepped back and read the comment the way I wrote it, instead of assuming I’m a prude who hates sexual expression, you’ll understand.
Okay then, would a woman’s sexual self-expression be okay on a billboard if she weren’t kinky? Bring that the presence of kink on the aforementioned seems to trouble you.
Let’s read the first paragraph again: “You can have whatever fantasies played out in the bedroom, that’s fine (as long as it’s consensual). But when you’re posting billboards about women (yes, always WOMEN) being bound up, comparing her to a circus animal (which is abused frequently) and explaining how tying up a woman is okay, but not a circus animal, it has a certain message to it.”
I am specifically referring to the juxtaposition made in the ad between circus animals and women. Tying up and caging an animal is bad. Tying up and caging a woman is good.
You seem to see no difference between two people who have learned to trust each other and care about each other tying each other up for fun, and a woman being tied up on display for the world. This is objectification. The woman isn’t a person; nobody knows her; she is anonymous. She is an object. She is tied up by anybody – could be you or me.
A woman wearing a sexy outfit or dancing or being free with her sexuality is completely different from a woman putting her picture on a billboard for the very cynical purpose of getting attention from men (because god forbid we put actual animals on the billboard; what PETA’s really supposed to be about) to help get money for an organisation. She is selling herself; this is to make money for PETA, an organisation that has nothing to do with sexy women. As you will see from other comments, I find a lot of things to be exploitation and prostitution, including wage slavery. Btw, I was not trying to open up the conversation to economics, just stating the fact that this isn’t just about sexuality.
I do not see billboards as “self-expression.” I see them as marketing. Marketing is for money, not art.
So, uh, what if the guy prefers the woman tie him up?
Otherwise, I see what you’re saying. It’s all just a game of manipulation and PETA is ridiculous anyway. I, personally, love a good steak every now and again. Cow doesn’t wanna die, it shoulda just been something else… Or something. But then you get into the whole “Nirvana” deal and that can be pretty hairy, especially for me as I’m more of the Valhalla type.
Well surprise, surprise, but people get off on being objectified. And others get off on giving them just that. So is their kink verboten, because it grosses you out?
See people like you can display your sexuality in public, and you take that for granted. There’s no reason why you shouldn’t be allowed that, but people like me want it too.
I have a question for you. Do you ever get a little dressed up? Wear anything sexy? A little eye catching?
Women wear flashy clothing to be noticed, to, in a sense, be looked at as an object. The fact that this woman has consented to this billboard is no different than you putting on a bikini and walking down the beach.
sitakali – thank you for expressing what I’ve wanted to say for the longest time; i couldn’t find the words
hmm, i understand and respect the whole “to each his own” thing, but using words like “possess” and “object” is still a disturbing concept when people are humans and actually should be equals. not objects.
Very true.
While consensual BDSM is just fine, PETA degrades women in their ads to project their hypocritical messages.
And even people I know in the scene are sick and tired of the “forced” scenes in romance novels. It’s one thing if the heroine agrees to it before hand, if there’s even a safeword. But the whole “ravishing her until she loves him” thing is not romantic. It’s just rape.
Some people actually get off on that. It’s a type of kink. Look it up.
“Some people actually get off on that. It’s a type of kink.”
And some people are rapists, most of which find ways to justify or lessen the harm they cause. Romanticizing rape only confuses people into thinking there’s a “grey area” when there isn’t.
DENIAL the only way that works is if she to enjoys it and not because she is supposed to but because she really does, not because she thinks that’s what he wants
Are you serious? Crime of Passion? Maybe she’s in that bed with chains and a whip because she freaking likes it! And gets off on it. Ever heard of SSC? Safe, sane, consensual? It’s the Consensual part that separates what we do from “crimes” of passion or otherwise.
So women are objects? Hmm… Very interesting. I’ll remember that.
Well thank you captain obvious douche.. Get with the program or get out.
Objectification=disrespect. True BDSM is not about objectification whatsoever. It is about TRUST and acknowledgment of boundaries, among other things. “Ravishing” is not a romantic notion, and honestly, I do not find people who can discern the difference remotely appealing.
Well it might amaze you to learn this, but some people get off on being sex objects, and others get off on giving them precisely that. As the Bard said “There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”
A sandwich full of dead animals
if you could spell, maybe I’d make you a sandwich
And you belong out in the street fixing my car, or can you not even handle that since making a sandwich seems too complicated for you.
And maybe I should leave a trail of M&Ms to the toilet paper roll so you can wipe your own ass, or does your girlfriend/mom do that for you too.
that sandwich better be vegan…
i really didn’t realize what i was walking into here… my fault for not reading all the comments…
Look, Theserenity, you started a revolution.
Hahaha… That’s PETA for ya!
P.E.T.A. = People Eating Tasty Animals
We’re complaining about how PETA are hypocrites, because they are against the exploitation of animals but not of women. This was not a “make fun of animal rights groups” demotivational poster. The point wasn’t to make fun of how some people *snicker* think that animals shouldn’t be beaten, tortured, neglected and abused for all their lives before they’re served as slab of meat that is then half wasted. Ha! That’s hilarious.
Just curious, what on earth is your reason for taking that “eating animals is funny” stance?
so how’s the tofu fed lion getting on then?
I don’t aggree with animal abuse, never have never will, none of the farmers I know would put up will any of their animals being mistreated by anyone.
I just like eating meat, is it a crime to do so? Don’t try that “but you don’t know where its from” bull crap, the joint of beef I had on sunday was from a cow I’d patted on the nose a week earlier, it was tasty.
“so how’s the tofu fed lion getting on then?”
Trying to understand the relevance of this statement.
…”none of the farmers I know…” If you buy meat from a butcher or a market, it is guaranteed to be from abused animals. If you buy it 100% organic with a certificate from IFOAM or some other organisation, then it won’t be, but that’s the exception. Not the norm.
The fact is, unless you are making a conscious effort to eat only organic or free-range meat, you are eating tortured animals. In order to make this effort, you would have to ask every restaurant you ever eat at where their meat comes from and require verification. You would have to ask your friends where their BBQ meat comes from.
I am not personally against eating meat, but I am against eating it the way most people do.
:“but you don’t know where its from” bull crap”…what? How is that bull crap?! How many people do you know who know where their meat comes from all of the time?! Most meat eaters eat horribly mistreated animals, and then some of them decide that it’s funny to boast about how tasty they are.
So the beef you had on Sunday was from a cow you met. How about Monday, Tuesday, Tuesday afternoon, night…the sausage, the ham, the jerky, the kebab, the burger you ate…you know where that came from?
If you’re one of the 1 in a billion people who actually check where their meat comes from 100% of the time, that’s great. Still don’t see how complaining about vegetarians and their desire for animals to be treated well helps anything.
I’m sorry, but you’re looking for things to get offended by/ provoke you to go on a rant on a site that’s supposed to be funny. Stop beng a pant load and calm down.
I’ll respect any vegatarian who doesn’t give me s**t for eating meat.
+1
It’s not a crime to eat meat, but in my opinion is that there is moral culpability in consuming the flesh of an animal that has been horribly mistreated it entire life, justified by the demand of agricultural industry to keep costs down. Kudos if you only consume pasture raised and humanely treated meat, but the sad reality is that we live in a society that places a higher value on a head of lettuce ($2.50 perhaps) than a half a pound of an animal (you can generally get a bacon double cheeseburger for 1-2 dollars).
Lettuce is maybe $1.50 tops around here. A comparable pound of hamburger meat is about $3.
It’s market economics, not placing value on something.
The reason? How about because eating animals is a practice that had kept the human race alive until only a few hundred years ago when importing and exporting a carefully regulated diet of everything you need to eat and can normally get from animals, but from plants became possible.
Simple version: Your ancestors all the way up to Noah or Adam and Eve or Prometheus and Bob or Tom Cruz or whoever you believe started humanity spent their whole lives eating animals and had to do so to survive. Are you to tell me that they were all immoral?
Reality check, you have the opportunity to be a vegan or vegetarian because of the world omnivores created for you. And you’re not Todd Ingram: Being vegan does not make you a better person.
Amen.
I don’t think PeTA respects animals either. Giving a pet to a PeTA shelter is going to mean it gets put down 90% of the time, vs. 30% of the time at other shelters. They seem to be more interested in agitating animal lovers for donations than actually improving animal welfare.
THIS.
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IS SPARTA!!
I heart you.
Make that a 100% if your pet is a pitbull.
I hate the fact people think pits are mean dogs. My pitbull is sweet and friendly. And she makes funny faces. Peta is just freaking wierd. I’d donate to the ASPCA insead anytime.
THe ASPCA isn’t perfect either. I’ve heard of more “home raids” that turn out to be fund raising crap holes than actually were deserved.
I do agree Pitbulls are lovely dogs. Its just that we as humans have trained them to be malicious and dangerous, so it’s us that should train them not to be anymore. Putting them down is just the easy way out unfortunately, and thats the way they want to do things. Irritating, I gotta say >.<
(PS sorry if I spelt something wrong. Long day.)
You sir (or madam) are awesome.
wait, are you giving it to peta(people for the ethical treatment of animals) or peta(people eating tasty animals)?
to PETA, People Euthanizing Thousands of Animals
This.
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My thoughts exactly!
<3
Not to mention they are known for kidnapping peoples’ pets, killing them, then throwing their bodies into dumpsters.
Pets are family. I’d fight to the death anyone who wanted to hurt my Minnie. PETA can bite me.
Yeah… where did you hear that?
From the news for one thing. Owners who had their pets kidnapped and murdered by PETA members.
They’re scum.
Citation please.
When you says “news” you don’t mean Fox News do you?
Don’t get me wrong I despise PeTA but what you said sounded completely made up. A citation would be nice.
Yeah, where on earth did you hear they kidnap people’s pets? As for putting animals down, what else are they going to do with them? Over six million dogs and cats are put down yearly because the shelters have neither the funds nor the homes to keep them. What else are they supposed to do? Pile them up in cages like chickens in a factory farm?
I don’t know if they kidnap people’s pets, but they do round up and kill stray animals. And as far as I know it’s not really possible to tell the difference, I woudn’t be surprised if a lot of them were someones pets and even had nametags.
And the other options are:
- leaving stray animals the hell alone
- spaying and neutering
I think the more radical faction of PETA is the one that kidnaps pets.
That’s the problem though. These animals have to be put down because no one is spaying and neutering their pets.
Leave the strays alone? Only problem with that is they’ll be dieing on the streets. No food means dieing animals. Same with cars.
Please don’t misunderstand me. I don’t like the thought of killing dogs and cats but people are so f**king irresponsible that it’s honestly one of the only options. There atleast 100 dogs and cats for everyone 1 person out there if not more. If people would claim FULL responisibilty for their animals and do what needs to be done by keeping them as the life long family members they should be and making sure that they don’t have unnecessary litters, strays wouldn’t have to be put down.
Of course it’s much easier to point the fingers at PETA and say they’re evil people because they kill these poor creatures but if everyone actually did what was necessary this wouldn’t be an issue in the f**king first place. Rant over…. I’m sorry but after reading all this bulls**t I couldn’t keep it in any longer. Go work in a f**king animal shelter for a week…
I don’t know if they kidnap pets, but they do round up stray animals and kill them. And I don’t think you can really tell the difference. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of them were infact pets and even had a nametag.
And the other options are:
1. Not interfering with stray animals
2. Spaying and neutering
They may not kidnap pets, but they kill a ridiculous amount of animals: In 2006 PETA killed 2,981 companion animals. an astonishing 97% of the animals they took in. That means that for every 100 animals they took in only 3 survived. -Michael Conn, and James V. Parker “animal rights are bad for your health”
“since 1998 PETA had killed, more than 17,000 animals, nearly 85 percent of all those it has rescued”-, David Masci “fighting over animal rights”
Notice that I included the sources.
Thank you for mentioning that! Everyone I talk to seems to think PETA’s so great it s**ts rainbows.
do you even read into WHY they uthanize said animal’s? Im a PETA volunteer and i also work at an animal shelter. we can only keep animal’s for so long before we are required to put them down due to not having enough room for animal’s despite our large shelter.
there isint enough room for all teh cat’s dog’s and other animal’s we have running around the planet. It kill’s me when we have to put a dog down. But there simply isint enough room. im not sure if peta follow’s the same guideline’s but that’s the guideline’s we must follow at the shelter
So we should start to Euthanize people from China, India, USA, and various other over populated areas of the world, just because it is a little cramped? Dogs, cats, rabbits, birds, and mice are living things too.
Then why do you kill so many more animals than other shelters, hm?
Oh, and why do you pay people to kill animals for a show? Disgusting Snuff films.
We know why. Because you morons think that pets are “slaves.” So you MURDER perfectly healthy dogs and cats that are beloved by their owners.
PETA is an organization of hypocrites and liars and out and out scumbags. You abuse more animals and murder more animals then all the circuses and slaughterhouses combined.
If it were a person I’d bet that you wouldn’t euthanize them.
Then how is throwing blood on people justified, how is the exceedingly high kill rate by the organization justified when other organizations such as the ASPCA can handle that number of animals just fine? How is it ok for the leader of the organization to use pig tested insulin but if anyone dares do so they’re a monster?
Giving all I read about it, the only thing the leader ever did right was get herself sterilized after saying humans shouldn’t breed.
Did you know that ‘sometimes the letter ‘s i’s not proceeded by an apo’straphe? ‘Strange, but true.
The fact that someone who spells like you do is anywhere near a needle filled with the right chemicals to end a life scares the living s**t out of me.
You all are attacking the wrong person here. If you want to protest, fine its within your rights, but Noisyfossil is only a volunteer. Don’t attack him/her for trying to trying to defend an action that they have been ordered to do.
Ja, ja. ve vere only folloving orders.
Milgram.
There would be more room on the planet if it weren’t taken up with redundant apostrophes.
^WIN!
On a more serious note. PETA is trying to take a stand for animal rights. Women’s rights have already been stood for and won. There are no more women’s rights to stand up for… everything is a choice now for women. You can’t say they are being exploited if they choose to be exploited. An animal does not choose to be killed or turned into a pet or made to be a domestic life source.
One activist group can not successfully represent all things at all times. Choose a side and stand there. Don’t confuse or convolve the issue by tossing in red herrings.
“Women’s rights have already been stood for and won. There are no more women’s rights to stand up for.”
Oh really? So women’s rights have been won, and there’s no sexism? I guess all the feminists can pack it in now. Who knew?
“Women’s rights have already been stood for and won.”
HAHAHAHHAHAHA rofl what planet do you come from?
Confuse the issues, really? Did it ever occur to you that human and animal rights are related, or perhaps even one and the same? If you respect one and not the other, that is hypocrisy.
I do think that in a western society women’s right have improved a lot, they still differ from men’s rights but some for the better and some for the worse. (ex. a women is given the choice to abort her baby and the man hasn’t got any input, which is just sad imo) I don’t really care that I’ll never be able to make the same amount of money a man makes doing the same thing.
But what I find weird is that you are calling animal rights and human rights the same. I still see alot of difference between killing a mosquito and a human. And giving dogs a right to vote would be plane silly.
“a women is given the choice to abort her baby and the man hasn’t got any input”
Sure he does, starting with not impregnating a woman who doesn’t want to have his child. If a man doesn’t want his child aborted, he shouldn’t be having sex with someone who won’t listen to and give due weight to his opinions on the matter.
“I don’t really care that I’ll never be able to make the same amount of money a man makes doing the same thing.”
WHY THE F*** NOT?
Cause people never change their mind or do something without informing their partner?
And also what if they’re young and naive and just never discussed the matter? You’re not going to tell me that could never happen now would you?
And the money thing is just my opinion, I’m sure I’ll manage when I start living on my own. And otherwise I’ll just stay with my mom a little longer. There are more important things to live.
‘(ex. a women is given the choice to abort her baby and the man hasn’t got any input, which is just sad imo) ‘
It’s not growing in his body, ergo he doesn’t get a say. That’s biology for you.
It’s his DNA as well, so it’s his child. Mr or Ms biology.
Fine, so what if he doesn’t want her to abort and she does? Does he get to force her to endure pregnancy and birth and all the risks involved?
No. Women are not the property of men. So you fail on legal grounds.
This is not about property, this is about human life and what people decide to make of it.
It’s only nine months of a woman’s life and a complete life change for the man.
I know pregnency is not something to be taken lightly, and a lot of accidential pregnancies do occor. So I don’t know how this should be solved, but I do think it should be looked into at least, cause an abortion can be extremly difficult on a man as well.
And if the wife was at serious risk it would be a completely different question. The woman’s life is normally prioritised unless she chooses otherwise.
So you see a man as being able to make the rules over a woman’s health choices? Don’t you see what a horrific notion that is?
It’s HER body. HER choice. Yes he might get upset over it but she might get MORE upset if she wasn’t allowed to abort.
And lest you have some gloriously anti-feminist pro-lifer silliness to come back with let me give you a story:
When I was 18 I get pregnant by accident (the pill failed) and I wanted an abortion (I don’t want kids and never will).
So I got one. My then boyfriend BEAT me afterward for ‘killing his child’.
Your idea would lead to his behavior being considered more acceptable than mine, and that is nothing I would EVEr support.
However, with your language of ‘It’s only nine months of a woman’s life’ and that you don’t much care about women getting equal pay shows you don’t have much experience with life yet so I’d withold your ideas until you get to my age (late 30s)
First of all I’m really sorry that happend to you, I’m just giving my opinion, and I would never judge a person I don’t know anything about on 1 decision or 1 fact. And no I do not support violence, and if that would be your idea about me I would find it to be rather offensive.
I already find you offensive – you don’t care about the fight for equality for women – by your own admission.
The only statement about that matter that I made was that I didn’t care about the difference in money I will be making and a could be making. Not that I don’t care about women’s rights being violated and the oppression of women.
And I never said a woman should be forced to bear a child.
First of all this works in both directions. If a man and wife have decided to get an abortion in case of an accidental pregnancy and the wife changes her mind, the man according to the current system will still have to pay, even after they get divorced, for a child they both agreed on never having.
And when they both agreed on keeping the child the wife can still change her mind.
And I didn’t say how this should be solved, just that I thought it should be looked into. Like for example a document on which they both can agree about this matter. And if the wife wanted to change her mind and keep the baby anyways the guy wouldn’t have to pay for it. And if she didn’t want the child after all she should at least have to bear it cause it’s what they both agreed on.
somehow this didn’t show up:
And I never said a woman should be forced to bear a child.
First of all this works in both directions. If a man and wife have decided to get an abortion in case of an accidental pregnancy and the wife changes her mind, the man according to the current system will still have to pay, even after they get divorced, for a child they both agreed on never having.
And when they both agreed on keeping the child the wife can still change her mind.
So they should be able to make some kind of contract about it.
I think your problem is more with child support than abortion laws.
I agree that that situation is a problem. I believe in the right to self-determination. The man and the woman should both be able to decide whether they want to raise a child, or contribute at all to its development.
And I didn’t say how this should be solved, just that I thought it should be looked into. Like for example a document on which they both can agree about this matter. And if the wife wanted to change her mind and keep the baby anyways the guy wouldn’t have to pay for it. And if she didn’t want the child after all she should at least have to bear it cause it’s what they both agreed on.
“It’s only nine months of a woman’s life and a complete life change for the man.” Only nine months? How about the rest of her life, hmm? Which could be cut short due to difficulties in the pregnancy. Ever heard of eclampsia? And yes, abortion can be difficult on the father, but the ultimate choice is left with the woman, as it is ultimately her body and her life, regardless of his involvement in the conception.
Thanks for your input, I knew there are a lot of complications in pregnancies which I might not have taken fully into account. I didn’t know of the term but I looked it up. But which I didn’t make clear is what I meant with the input a man should have, because I didn’t yet decide that for myself.
But I never intended to say he should have the same input as a woman. More like an agreement they could make even before the pregnancy.
I agree that the man should have input, but as I said, it must be the woman’s choice. There are only two people in that decision, and as it’s her body, her decision must take precedence. Thus, whatever she wants must happen. There’s no way around that.
We can’t legislate peoples’ communication in relationships. If hers is the deciding vote, then it’s useless to consider his, from a legal perspective. The most you could ever do, legally, is require that the father be informed of the child’s existence (which I would oppose).
Well it would be hard to do so, unless they’re married or the woman wants to admit who the father is. Why do you oppose?
Abortion is a tricky area. There are already a lot of women who do not get an abortion simply because they fear the reaction of others.
Basically, in recognition of that fact, I think abortion should be as private an affair as possible. Forcing her to tell the father could introduce undue pressure and make it harder for the woman to go through with it.
Also, there’s no reply button next to your comment. Wierd.
True, but if the man isn’t informed she can use it against him in a domestic fight when she’s angry and doesn’t think straight, even if she might regret it later. (Not saying she will, just saying she could.) Or tell him when they break up.
But apart from that, I think he should have the right to now, simply because he’s the father. Even if he can’t have an input. (But I guess you figured that out already
) Maybe not right away, so she could think things through, but still before it’s aborted.
The reply button isn’t there because you can’t keep placing replies on replies. Then the comments would get to narrow I guess.
I don’t think what someone might say in the heat of anger is a good reason to legislate. You might as well make infidelity illegal.
I’m unsure about whether the father has any right to know. It’s nice to say, but given societal attitudes around abortion, I think the woman’s right to make up her own mind without being unduly pressured trumps that.
But if anger and hurtful things people say shouldn’t have an effect on legislation then why should pressure have an effect on it? Cause to me it’s similar in a way.
Well emotional abuse is ofcourse something completely different and horrifying. But it’s not illegal unless it involves children (I think) and making racist remarks isn’t either. So why should being pressured while making a decision be? Shouldn’t you just be able to make the decision without letting the pressure get to you?
But maybe this whole argument is pointless, cause I don’t even know if a father has the right to know that his ex-girlfriend or 1 night stand gave birth to his child.
The important point is that she has the right to make her own decision, unencumbered by the opinions or beliefs of others, while he does not enjoy the right to not be shocked when she reveals she’s aborted his child.
Ideally, everyone would inform their partners, but I don’t think that should be required, particularly given opinions around abortion.
“It’s only nine months of a woman’s life and a complete life change for the man.”
Seriously? No, seriously? Are you really suggesting that a woman’s life doesn’t change when she has and keeps a child? Who do you think is responsible for 95% of childcare, has to scale back on her career and dreams and spend the next 18+ years with “So and So’s Mom” as her sole identity?
I have to assume that you’re either male or very young if you really think it’s only the man’s life that changes and that the woman only has to put up with nine months of discomfort, then it’s all sunshine and rainbows after that.
You obviously didn’t understand at all what they were saying. What their point was was if the woman doesn’t want the child and the man would take care of it, not them raising it together. The idea was that the woman give birth and then since she apparently doesn’t care about her offspring then the man would take it and raise it himself.
‘There are no more women’s rights to stand up for… everything is a choice now for women.’
REALLY?!
Then why have you got politicians chipping away at healthcare rights for women? Why have you got legal protection for doctors who refuse contraception or the morning-after pill to women? Why do you have threats of violence against women who make the choice to abort?
Equal my posterior…
of course they won – women now go around the streets swinging men by the balls saying “I AM WOMAN HEAR ME ROAR!!” Grow up and hide in your basement, seeing as you don’t know the world
well…. I would let her tie me up
Of course you would, not because she is amazing and you love her, ONLY because of her body. The imperfect women (99.99% of women) thank you for your kind consideration.
WHOAH insecurity much…
No, the message is that you should have a fetish with women, not animals.
you ruined the joke.
Seriously. Talk about a killer.
agreed
Never mind the joke, he ruined my fetish…
OMFG! UNCLE JON!?!?!?! O.o
…Ugh!!
You sick bastard!!
Savage hypocrisy. It´s all i think of when someone say´s PETA
Why does she have a chain around her leg AND a whip in hand? That doesn’t make sense at all. She’s either the dom or the sub… not both! You can’t be both… it gets confusing.
Unless there’s a third person getting in on it. She could be sub for the first but dom for the second.
Some sort of sexy rock-paper-scissors?
Or, y’know, there are “switches”. Or she could be holding on to the whip until her dom(me) gets back.
And of course we should probably avoid telling them just what whips are made of.
You mean you don’t think it’s a pleather whip?
BDSM train!
Sure it gets confusing, but there ARE switches – people who change between the roles of Dom and sub – though you’re right: not usually within the same scene.
Most “bdsm” or bdsm-inspired art/advertising photos are completely incorrect when it comes to the actual function and point of bdsm.
I had a girlfriend who was a switch, she was a hell of a lot of fun though a bit unpredictable at times because every so often she would change roles randomly from sub to dom mid… well you know and it would usually catch me off guard
Still on the subject matter, if PETA are advocating against cruelty to animals then why are they showing a billboard displaying “cruelty” to a woman?
People are animals too
Think of it as BDSM masturbation; chain yourself up and whip yourself — just pick a safe word and make sure you know it so you can stop yourself if you get too rough.
You, sir or madame, win the Internets!
And the safe word is “fluggaenkdechioebolsen”!
I can’t pronounce that now!
Eurotrip win
Armaggedon!!
so funny…yeah, JD, I found a pdf of the signed “end of year” sales and income whatevers it called. They took in 3000+ animals. 500 adopted to loving, caring families. you can figure out what happened to the rest. and they spent $5000+ on advertising and merchandise, and spent 1850 give or a take a few bucks, on actually saving animals.
Like any large corporation, they don’t care about the little people.
what do dwarves/midgets/Vertically Challenged et al have to do with the argument?
Umm I’m gonna say this straight up, this is incredibly offensive to myself as a kinky woman, if I were not a strong woman who was respected by the men she sleeps with I wouldn’t let anyone anywhere near the whips and chains. Gonna go ahead and call it: PO is sex-negative and anti-feminist. BAM! Have I started a fight yet?
Umm. OP, that is.
I am not sure what OP, or PO is, but I agree that BDSM is an activity best undertaken with one you know, love, and respect. I may be ruining the joke, but then, the joke seems to have been written by someone not very knowledgeable in the area.
Agreed. Did the captioner not realize that she’s holding the whip?
She’s also has her legs chained…so from the waist down she’s a sub from above the waist she’s the dom.
Pretty sure it’s because PETA are showing a near nude woman (as usual) in chains in the poster that the captioner was commenting on, or maybe they’re just not as knowledgeable in kinky freaky BDSM as you are. Whip or not people are gonna see this as anti-women. Personally I’m offended at the lack of kitchen in this picture.
NEXT PERSON WHO MENTIONS WOMEN AND KITCHEN IN THE SAME COMMENT I WILL HUNT DOWN AND SLAP SENSELESS! Now too bad, so sad, suck it up, princess, go make your own sandwich!
Man, I guess teh women of the internetz get all ticked off when they hear that joke over and over, but it’s seriously just a joke. I think I may have met just one person in my life who actually believed that, and sometimes I doubt he really did. On the internet, it’s more productive to have a thick skin or a witty comeback than to act all butthurt about it and threaten violence.
/the more you know
Dude my name is exactly_9000 and you don’t expect me to reuse lame old internet jokes? *shakes head in a dramatic way* Shame.
GO MAKE ME A SANDWICH!!! Do I get slapped now? Please?
Hey, that’s my name!
NO, IT’S MINE!
i could say somethig about a kichten and chaind to but im gonna wack it back century and say stick to your pomie stone and door step
If you look at PETA’s history of ads, they tend to try to put out as much naked/sexy woman as they can to get their point across, exploiting women in very similar tactics that the mainstream media does. I don’t think the OP was commenting on the BSDM part of this picture…
If you look at PETA’s history of ad, they tend to take pictures of women who are consenting to being in the ad.
that makes so much more sense but i dont think thats what the guy was going for
Vanillas don’t get the motivation behind such play-scenes. Their logic goes: if she is being tied up or spanked it must be because he is angry at her and is doing it as an act of disrespect. In our BDSM culture, though, the motivation behind such a scene is entirely different. WE know it’s because he feels so passionately about his desire for this woman that he must possess her and own her or else die of longing. Such games are to symbolize she is his chosen love object and belongs to him.
It’s like the romance novels that women so devour. Usually, the Hero abducts and ravishes (a pretty way of saying rapes) the Heroine. Not because he hates women- but because he is madly in love with her, and is overcome with the desire for possession of the love object. This is flattering to the female ego. She has made him lose control. He is always feels appropriately guilty afterward, promising to be more gentle the next time, and we know they will be happily married by the end of the book.
Such novels and bedroom games are so that women can have the “Nice Guy” that we want in a relationship – but also the “Bad Boy” that we all want in bed.
Yes, the female mind is an amusingly twisted place at times. Whatever works for you. I’ll stick with my (lack of) vanilla.
Dear Kelly,
I was wondering where you got that ‘crime of passion’ bulls**t from.
I assume that the whole ‘sexual posession’ bit goes both ways? Also, stop being a hypocrite. You talk about how vanillas are oppressive and then accuse them of ‘not being able to understand you’ and of having ‘pitiful sex lives’.
You need to understand that physical pain is not everyone’s cup of tea and while some people might be a mite suspicious of it, you do not endear yourself and your scene to them by acting like an uptight preacher.
Cheese,
You would do yourself a favor to stop talking, because the more you run your mouth the more you reveal you have absolutely NO idea the subject you’re talking about.
Yes, of course it goes both ways. (duh.) Why wouldn’t it? Plenty of sub men and people who switch. (Obviously you were not clued into this fact.)
You cast the first stone. The post clearly stated people involved in BDSM are perverts who don’t respect women- so please expect us to come in here and defend ourselves. You called us woman-hating perverts so we called you boring.
You also show your ignorance in that you have no idea at all that BDSM may not, and often does not, include any physical pain.
Kelly
Are you legitimately part of the BDSM community? Because you sound like your full of it. The Dom(me) is not there to ravish and own. They are there to give pleasure to. The lifestyle is, or should be if you’re with someone who actually knows what they’re doing, about giving the most pleasure possible to the one you are with. Not possession or ravishing. The Sub has a safeword and everything else is the Dom(me)’s responsibility. Health, safety, pleasure, comfort, and so much more.
A good Dom(me) takes the time necessary to introduce the Sub to the scene and props used. The don’t just go bangin’ away, possessing and ravishing.
And most Vanillas do actually understand. By your lack of general knowledge, I’m assuming you are one or that you just recently started researching the community in your area. Vanilla is just a term for those who prefer traditional sex. Not that they don’t understand or that they judge. They just don’t get off on it. Just like a true Dom(me) doesn’t get off on being a Sub and vice versa.
truth.
Eleanor, you are such a strong women that you are incredibly offended by a minor bit of silly parody you stumble across on the web?
Seems kinda weak to me. Maybe you should focus on toughening that thin skin of yours to go along with all that strength you claim to enjoy.
Wow so motherloving true man!!!!!!!!!!!!
SHHH!! you’re supposed to be dead.
HAHA!
you just made my day. I thank you!
maybe the animals loves sadomasochism too
The safe word is ‘MOOOO!’
Moo means moo
One internet for you, ma’am.
Kiethy, Harley Quinn; you two have made my day.
Baa means NO
She’s proved that theory 50 years ago and is still boasting about it…
It looks like she’s the dominatrix in that scenario…
It’s a mixed message. She’s tied up, but she has the whip.
Except for the fact that she is chained to the bed.
who said the women has to be the one in chains..
THIS.
Women were tools in propaganda during the two World Wars.
so were men so thats kind of an empty statement
Hey they ehlped us win, didn’t they?
Yup, in a league of their own.
PETA – Because when I look at this picture im Honestly thinking about the cruelty done to animals in a circus.
-facepalm-
first? lost the game? i did oggle before reading her poster though.
Noooo I lost the game!!
Women…. animals…. same thing…
Now if only I could teach my dog to make me a sandwich.
lives-in-his-mom’s-basement-win!!!!
Never-gonna-get-laid-fail!!!!
Ugh…PETA is so annoying and they make me sick! Those crazy idiots would rather let dogs get run over in the streets than be shown! I heard they opened all the crates at a major dog show one year, and only a few dogs survived…the ASPCA wouldn’t do that, they actually care about animals! And using a model or actress for an ad like that to a shotty corporation shows how retarded they really are.
Know people that were at one of these shows, most of the dogs survived, although a few wandered off and got killed on the road. There were also many a mix breed puppy born a few months later.
Yeah, but I bet PETA didn’t care…>.> Thanks for clearing it up about the survival rate…someone in my family told me about it…it was pretty horrible..
It is retarded to use hot women to get people to read your propaganda? Whom do you use for your propaganda, fugly fat men?
Why would it have to be one extreme or another? That’s ridiculous.
Umm. I’d say cute, fuzzy animals.
Peta is a little crazy. So is a society that consumes the products of an industry that brutally slaughters millions of animals (pigs are smarter than dogs, btw) that have been literally tortured their entire lives. If you don’t think that’s whats happening, you don’t know whats going on.
F*** PETA
I so agree.
Puck Feta
I love Feta. Didn’t know Puck made Feta cheese.
Well she did look good in that dress….
Apparently you’re not allowed to have kinky times if you work at the circus..
I am a guy but I fully support the use of chains and whips on me. :3
Nice
I’m free later wanna come by?
This is kinda hot I guess?
Peta is as much of a scam as that letter from the Nigerian Prince.
TRUTH.
PETA is a “turd in the punchbowl.” They exist to make the cause of preventing animal cruelty look ridiculous, so that real reform is impossible. If you really care about animal cruelty, give to the Humane Society or ASPCA.
This is just another example of their vile hypocrisy. Down with PETAphiles!
used to fund-raise for humane society and ASPCA, and would tell many of the donors i spoke with that also supported PETA that their dollars would be better served if they literally flushed them down the toilet. PETA is the real punch-line in this joke.
Or the Best Friends Sanctuary. They took the pitbulls that PETA fought like mad to have put down after the Vick dogfighting bust and rehabbed them.
In the defense of PETA, there were legitimate arguments for why it made sense to put them down revolving around the efficient use of resources.
The HSUS is as bad as PETA most of the money they get in donations goes towards various animal rights bills. They don’t even run a shelter. Your best bet is to donate to your local shelter.
I wonder if it has occurred to PETA that the bullwhip in this picture is very likely made from cow leather.
And it seems to be targeted at India. Lovely.
(In case you didn’t know, some parts of India revere the cow as sacred. So having a woman in an ad with a leather bullwhip is a bad idea.)
I wonder if it has occurred to you that PETA kind of knows their s**t when it comes to animal products and very likely has more than a few members who know where to get vegan BDSM gear.
If any members of PETA know their s**t, as you say, then they are vile hypocrites. That’s the point.
Buying vegan BDSM gear makes them hypocrites? Please explain.
Why do people keep saying “this?” Yes, I’m a bit of a noob to ICHC.
Replying to a comment with simply “this” is stating that you agree with whatever the comment you replied to stated.
I love you, Marscaleb.
A friend on another site says:
PETA : animal rights :: Wstbr Bptst Chrch : Christianity.
you should have taken credit for that yourself xopher – it’s a good one!
peta / animal rights = scientology / regular nonsense
Not sure why animal rights is regular nonsense.
it’s not nonsense at all, that’s not what the equasion says.
Confused.
Analogies do not equate one word to another, they equate one relationship between two words to another relationship between two words.
In this case, he’s just saying that peta is a crazy dumb ass example of animal rights activism the same way scientology is a crazy dumb ass example of ‘regular nonsense’ (I think he means religion).
If that implies anything about the words themselves due to the context, it more implies a parity between PETA and Scientology.
You’re right, of course but… what scares me is, if we consider that as an real equation, then we’d have this:
regular nonsense = (scientology/PETA)*animal rights
so… that would lead to reason that anyone who considers himself (herself) as “normal” would be partially a PETA activist and a scientologist!?!?! God no! We’re all doomed!!!!
(and… grammar nazis out there, forgive me for any mistakes, as english is not my mother language)
When someone says “peta” I always think of “pita”, as in the delicious pocketed bread that I use to make sammiches full of roast beef, lettuce, potato chips, turkey, and some mustard.
When I hear “PETA” I think “PITA” too… except in my case it means “pain in the @ss”.
Just as long as it was a woman who made you that delicious pita sandwich.
I see you are “Outback” Jon. Well Jon. I live in Australia, near the outback. I shall search for you there first.
(If you didn’t read my comment ^up there^ I’m just going to slap you senseless.)
Personally, I’m kind of insulted. What part of chaining a woman down, as long as it is consensual, is disrespectful? O.o
Nothing, when it’s in the bedroom. Everything, when your displaying it on a billboard for people who don’t know her to fantasise about raping her.
So wait, it’s only ok for us to be kinky in the bedroom? But there’s so many other good places to play T_T…
They could fantasise about rape whether or not the girl is chained up or not. They can fantasise about rape of any picture they see. A girl playing volleyball… rape thoughts… A girl walking her dog… rape thoughts… a girl holding her baby… OH! RAPE THOUGHTS!
I once emailed them complaining about how degrading their ads are to women and they actually responded with a load of bullsh about how their ads are actually liberating to women. It made me want to throw up. This is why I support Compassion Over Killing, not PETA.
What exactly did it say?
You support COK? So what does that make you, a jockstrap?
Son of a mother i laughed till i almost peed.
WIN WIN WIN WIN
Pssh. I was with PETA for about a week before I realized just how big an idiot everyone who had a say in anything was. I’d like that week back, and whoever is on that poster please!
Wow. This is an actual Peta advertisement? Weird.
I’d follow there cause if there leader was a hot lesbian…
I’m glad that you take the issue of animal suffering so seriously.
I also like PETA’s prepackaged naked woman meat, fresh, not frozen.
You summed up their entire ad campaign nicely. Exploiting animals = bad. I can haz woman with my veggie burger?
Why? Don’t want a cold shoulder?
Yeah, because a woman voluntarily using her body to draw attention to a message she believes in is exploitation.
If a picture of my c**k could score marriage equality in my country, I would put it on as many billboards as I could.
This
Yes, women voluntarily use their bodies in many ways. Some voluntarily prostitute it for drugs. Some volunteer it to be stoned to death in countries under Sharia Law because they’re so ashamed of committing adultery or whatever “crime” they’re accused of. Just because it’s voluntary, doesn’t make it right.
The question is, what societal conditions caused her to “volunteer” her body like that? Was she thinking, “oh, I respect myself so much that I want everyone to see my naked body,” or, “well, a lot of men are sleazes and the only way to get their attention is to exploit myself, but it’s for a good cause, so here we go.”
Note that PETA only ever uses “model” bodies, the bodies that are causing women in this culture to become anorexic and go on yo-yo diets. If this had anything to do with respect, it would at least use women of all sizes.
Why do people think that portraying a woman in some kind of sexual fashion is exploitation?
Let’s repeat: she is not doing this for drugs, nor is she doing it because she lives in an oppressive society that thinks nothing of women’s rights. She’s doing it to draw attention to a message she believes in.
That something is done by conscious decision does not make it entirely voluntary. I might choose to take the lesser of two jobs to be with my pregnant girlfriend, but you can’t deny my options were not equally represented. The girl who prostitutes herself for drugs makes the choice, but here’s the thing: she’s an addict. How about the woman who prostitutes herself for money, not because she needs to fuel her drug habit but simply because it’s a good way to make money?
Here’s a newsflash for you: sexuality is not bad. It’s okay to use your sexuality to your advantage. That’s the thing about it being your sexuality: it’s your goddamn sexuality. Denying someone the ability to use their body to their advantage or to the advantage of the causes they believe in is oppressive.
My girlfriend uses her sexuality to her advantage all the time: she uses it to get laid. She knows that certain outfits excite me, and I’m pretty damn likely to have sex with her, which she likes, so sometimes she does.
What conditions caused her to volunteer her body like that? Here’s the list:
- Animals are tortured in circuses for mere entertainment, and she finds that abhorrent;
- People pay attention to attractive ladies, or things with attractive ladies near them.
Yeah, PETA uses models. It uses models to draw attention to messages they believe in. Yeah, it’d be nice if they could get the message across without resorting to such measures, but here’s the thing: people don’t give a s**t.
Drawing a weak parallel between the ads employed by the fashion industry and by PETA does not mean you can move your conclusions across en masse. The ads used by the fashion industry (which, by the way, are not exploitative) are generally designed to sell the look: the clothes, the makeup, even sometimes just the body type. They give the impression that, in order to be attractive or successful, you must look like this. There is no alternative message they might be drawing attention to.
“Yeah, that’s what I said. How about you read what I actually wrote? Do you really think your problems are as bad as those of women who can’t walk outside without a man present?”
So you were quoted correctly and are still suggesting that those who quoted you haven’t read what you actually wrote? Umm okayy.
The fact that she managed to copy and paste what I wrote does not mean she read it, nor that she didn’t skew the meaning.
The quote, right there, in quotation marks, was “an oppressive society that thinks nothing of women’s rights”.
Did you see that word, “nothing”? Kind of key to the meaning of the quote. She managed to skip dandily over that and assume I was saying women enjoy full equality in our society.
Women of all sizes? What about men? PETA obviously does not cater for heterosexual women and gay men. I’m sure that violates Equal Opportunities or something…
True, very true. It’s annoying.
How about PDTA (People for the DEATHical Treatment of Animals.
how is letting my girfriend chain my up and f*** me with a strap-on disrespecting women?
I totally understand your point, but I did do a double-take when I read your comment.
Yes, cause that’s the same as having a picture of a chained up woman on a public billboard.
*sigh*
Just because she likes to be tied up does not mean that;
1) she has no self respect
or
2) that men don’t respect her.
Contrary to popular belief, BDSM does not entail a lack of respect for women. In fact, it’s all ABOUT respect.
Also… is that a leather whip, PETA? O.o
The fact that she volunteered to be tied up and have her picture blown up and shown in public for various people to fanatisise about raping and killing her, shows that,
1) She thinks that getting mens’ attention at any cost is worth it for the cause
2) She’s not used to true respect.
This isn’t about BDSM. BDSM is private and between people who KNOW and TRUST each other.
WTF?!?! why are you assuming that everyone who sees the add is only going to fantasize about raping and killing her?!?
This. Seriously, as a dominant man myself, I can tell you for a fact that few, if any, dominant men express any such desire toward women, submissive or not.
“fanatisise about raping and killing her” —-What???!!!
See, the true prejudice/ignorance is revealed. I knew it would come out. This is why nobody needs to pay any attention to what sitakali says from now on.
YAY someone just realized you can have your own opinion!! Dumb****
Oh and by the way, why the f*** should anyone listen to you? Give me 5 reasons that don’t demean other people, and I’ll grudgingly believe you: if you can’t get out of here troll.
‘Most people are another person, they live by that other person’s rules’ – Oscar Wilde
Why should anyone listen to Kelly? Well I’ve got one reason: She knows better than to associate consensual sexual dominance with rape and murder.
this!!!!
17 DOLLARS!!!
Just like Greenpeace doesn’t really care about the environment, Peta really doesn’t care about animals. It’s just another group that is using something to push an anti-capitalist agenda.
How exactly is this creating an anti-capitalist agenda? Is it all a commie plot?
Don’t bother; Matt is your run-of-the mill paranoid conspiracy theorist.
Yes!! OMG it’s teh socialists! Everyone hide!!!!!!!!!
OMG it’s teh socialists!! Run!!!!!!!
God, I hate PETA…and I love animals. Like other commenters have said, the ASPCA is much better. There’s really nothing I can say about PETA that hasn’t been said by other commenters.
First, it’s not disrespect if she’s willing. Second, men are on the receiving end of “chains and whips in the bedroom”, too. This is a rare sight, though. A PETA ad that’s not obnoxious…
To be fair, these are the same people who say that your dog/cat would be happier feral.
Yeeeah, no one ever accused PETA of having a goddamned bit of sense. Domestic dogs and cats don’t do well feral. They can scrounge, but they’re FAR less healthy.
Heh, if that was true my Chihuahua mix wouldn’t come back after getting out of the house.
I’d like to see how long it’d take after releasing all the farm animals before they started proposing mass culls to stop the damn things eating the crops, wouldn’t be enough room for the animals AND the crops to feed the population
So S&M is disrespectful to women? Well thank you, Very Demotivational, for hipping me to that. All this time I thought the women I was dominating were respected. They seemed to feel that they were…
I believe this image would be banned in Canada due to laws against depicting women in a degrading fashion
I’m presuming ‘degrading’ in this case would refer to her being in her underwear? Because the rest…despite what the captioner thinks, who says that she’s not the one *using* those implements, rather than using them on someone else?
Go Canada!
I always thought we don’t need to treat animals better, we just need to treat people worse. I’m certain that lots of people would never eat a human burger only because its illegal.
Soylent Green FTW!
thanks for that very disturbing thought, Chuck.
I’d eat a human burger.
I’d eat one, but only if it had cheese, and maybe bacon. Oh, and some ketchup wouldn’t hurt.
I believe it was Ernest Hemmingway who compared human flesh to pig meat and referred to it as “the long pork.” No, I don’t know how he knew that…
Actually, that’s the common name for human flesh in societies where cannibalism is practiced. Hemingway didn’t make that up.
God, I could do with a little sex right now.
They also belong in dungeons.
OH wow, I canz haz a cheezeburger!
http://www.anonymous-surfing.es.tc
I’m all for rights for animals but I’ve heard from several different sources that PETA is crazy.
The leader of PETA uses insulin tested on pigs despite wanting to bomb animal testing facilities, , I heard they fund domestic terrorism, and their leader thinks human procreation is wrong and had herself sterilized.
PETA, the organization that thinks a Big Mac is the root of all evil, yet puts thousands of animals down because it would be too expensive to treat them/take care of them.
Their scare tasctics involve such things as passing out pamphlets to school children telling them if there daddy is a hunter or fisherman he’s going to kill there family pets.
PETA is a terrorist group for misinformed extremists. I would suggest they send parties out to protest against lions, tigers, wolves, coyotes and grizzly bears and the atrocious acts of animal cruelty they commit.
Not to mention property destruction, such as throwing blood on people wearing leather or fur.
One thing I always wondered, if they are so against animal cruelty….where did they get the blood to throw?
It’s not blood.. It’s red paint… idiot.
Not always.
Oh but it’s always a woman in a fur coat. They never try that on a man in a leather jacket.
you never see em doing it to a biker gang either
I’m starting a Paypal fund to see if I can get this financed…
I would so watch the youtube video of that… hee hee…
Because the leather jacket stereotype is actually usually true.
Leather jackets are badass, the guy’s who wear them probably would beat the living piss out of someone for doing that, especially if it was an expensive jacket. I know i would.
I am not a sadomasochist but I still don’t think this picture is offensive. Some girls are into it, it does not imply the lack of (self-)respect. But I have to agree that PETA sucks.
Three simple words:SCREW YOU PETA!
Then five more simple words:SCREW YOU PETA TO HEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLL.
Also, that picture is just plain STUPID.
BDSM=Beaten Down Slave Men
BDSM doesn’t always have men as the submissive. So it’s weird for guys to be submissive but not women?
Hey! take that chain off, throw that whip down and go to the kitchen and make me a pita sandwich. And don’t forget to bring me a beer too.
*grinds trolls into carpet*
I understand people like their kinky stuff, but I think PETA is taking it way out of context here. They are in a sense saying its okay to abuse women instead of animals, at least that’s the message I’m getting. I don’t understand why they can’t use something other than sex in this ad. Our culture is over-sexed enough as it is. There’s a lot of weird kinky stuff I wish I didn’t know about because of it. I saw a similar ad for a ballet school that used what can only be described as a stipper ballet dancing. You might as well put a pole in there. That’s not how I view ballet (I’m in love with the art) and this ad here is not how I view animals or other women (bi-curious here).
Thank you for this comment. You’re exactly right.
Okay okay, I got one – what do you tell a woman with two black eyes? Nothing, because no one cares about a broken woman.
NO! FAIL!!! It’s actually. What do you tell a woman with two black eyes? Nothing, you’ve already told her twice.
I prefer my version of PETA:
People
Eating
Tasty
Animals
If you hadn’t said it, I would have…
I don’t think the OP is saying BDSM is disrespctful and degrading to women. They’re commenting on PETA’s ad campaigns, and the fact that they seem to feature a naked model or shame fat people in EVERY. SINGLE. AD. And don’t even get me started on their ads that compare the Holocaust to the practice of farming animals…
Errrr… The caption is “PETA: Because apparently, we should respect animals, not women.”
That’s kind of pointing to the ad being disrespectful to women.
Why shouldn’t they compare farming animals to the Holocaust? The Jewish communities (not to mention Roma) were treated like animals. They were rounded up, forced to live in filthy conditions, put into cattle cars, and executed. Doesn’t that sound like the Nazis thought of Jews as cattle? Only when we respected all living things can we properly respect other humans. Societies frequently degrade other cultures to animal status when they want to commit mass genocide. In Rwanda, the Tutsis were referred to as cockroaches. In Germany, the Jews were considered pigs. Many Jewish rabbis see the connection between how they were treated and how animals are treated today. Why can’t you?
Dude… if you don’t get how offensive it is to compare farming to the Holocaust, especially to the extreme vast majority of people who place humans over animals, then you’ll never get it.
As a Jew of Polish background, I’m just going to inform you that nobody I know in the Jewish community has any problem with this comparison. They are strikingly similiar if you actually look at it. Mass torture is never acceptable. People sympathize more with fellow humans, but that doesn’t change the physical pain and terror that other creatures feel.
Your problem is thinking humans are equal to animals. They are not. Just like other animals are not equal, in the way a fly is not equal to a frog.
Treating a human like an animal is a horrible analogy, a cow that lives on a farm is really not much different from how they would live otherwise, they’d herd together and stand in their pies no matter where they were at.
If you want to see me make a nude PETA add, let me know and I will gladly make one and post it for your viewing pleasure
She needs to be chained up better, we wouldn’t want her escaping
Honestly whether you’re vanilla or not, you should just understand that PETA is referencing a sexual gameplay, not actual abuse of women. Like countless others have said – some like it, some don’t.
And trust me – different people like BDSM for different reasons! Some really are psychologically wounded by past events, but some are actually quite mentally stable and are actually the most confident people I know! What happens in the bedroom is a special kind of fun, when you get to play around with who you are and what you want. It’s a freedom that’s limited only by your trust in your partner instead of in your worry about how society sees you. That’s the whole game.
I don’t know much about PETA, but I think that the ASPCA is doing a much better job… :\
hey what if the circus is full of women. lolololololol
But women ARE animals!!!!
(Wait! Don’t tell me they are plants now!!!)
I read an argument one day on a vegan forum about whether or not semen, placenta, and breast milk were vegan. Technically, only breast milk fits the bill, since the official definition simply specifies animals, without excluding humans or reflecting the ethical basis of veganism.
PETA members are backwards & retards.
Every animal they save is another one for me to eat.
I personally have a lot of respect for people holding whips.
I got horny looking at that picture…
I have a theory that most of the people on the internet who preach S&M and sado-masochism have never actually participated in it.
Safe assumption..
I came on only to say that I don’t find this photo disrespectful at all. The demotivation suggests any use of bondage or S&M role play is disrespectful of the participants. I find this far more telling of the creators prejudices than PETA’s.
Kinky ain’t wrong, jus’ sayin’.
I love how people turn I funny picture into a riot
Whips and Chains in the bedroom:
because allowing a woman to consent to behavior that gives her pleasure is disrespectful.
I’m into S&M, and I still thought this was funny. You guys need to lighten up.
Exactly! S&M has nothing to do with disrespect (at least not neccessarily). It´s a great thing if you´re into it. Cheer up, guys.
Ummm… she may have a chain wrapped around her ankle, but I notice who’s holding the whip. Get ‘em, girl!
Hey guys, you practicing for some kinda debate at school?
We are upset that you killed an entirely edible animal. We shall now have to go (passively) kill another. Cheers!
Well, these comments are interesting.
Let’s go with: people are very stupid. Especially if they don’t eat meat. I mean, why else would I have shark teeth behind my canines? I’m not a vampire so they have to be used for something… I mean, I don’t sparkle so… And I don’t stalk people…unless you count people watching for fresh Poorly Dressed victims…
What do you mean that’s abnormal? I’m highly NOT offended by that! I like being abnormal. My heart can go twice as fast as yours. I’m like a Race Car.
See? We’re all unique…especially those hobos that lived down the street from me…
You’d think they’d realize I was dirt poor. Of course, the religious zealots still attack with their umbrellas, so I don’t think they got the message yet.
(Yeah, this is clearly going to get trolled and I’m trying and failing to be funny. I have a cold. I get wacky and probably shouldn’t be on the Internet. *shrugs* A cold for me is coke for you.)
Anyone who says that humans are herbivores are ignorant, unless they’re holding a peer-reviewed paper to back them up.
The important thing to note is that we’re not carnivores, either. We’re omnivores. We have a very general digestive system, capable of processing both plant and animal matter pretty well.
We also, for most of our recent evolution, did not eat meat. When we did, we ate it in very small portions. Our bodies do very well on a plant-based diet. The only thing stopping most people from meeting all their dietary requirements on a plant-based diet is the fact that they’re difficult to source in our society. By that, I mean that your local supermarket probably won’t have everything you need. Try a health store and reading up about what the body actually needs.
I don’t think I need to point out that evolution is concerned with survival, not ethics. Having the right teeth to chew meat was an advantage in our ancestors, and so was selected for. That doesn’t say anything about the ethics of meat consumption. The fact that we have canine teeth does nothing to abate the suffering of the animals we eat.
I respect everything you’ve said, it is abnormal for humans to be strictly herbivore. However I think that you saying vegetarians or vegans are “especially stupid” is dead wrong. I personally am a vegetarian and I take offense to that statement for the following reasons: I am extremely aware that humans eat meat as it is the natural order of things, but it is not natural to induce the animal’s food with drugs to the point that they cannot walk on their own. Out in the wild predators eat what is supplied to them, but humans take that and more. Also, in the wild, the prey is given land to roam, but humans, most of the time, cage our meat up into crowded pens so that they are being trampled. This is NOT the way mother nature planned for us to obtain our foods.
Just a side note, our molars and shark teeth cannot be compared seeing as they have completely different roles in the breaking down of foods.
Oh, and I forgot. PETA in 2006 had a 97% kill rate on the animals it took it. That’s right–3% of all animals taken in didn’t die. They might have gone to horrible homes, been killed after they were adopted, or shipped somewhere else. Lovely…
Plus, I have to say–were they trying to undermine their organization? I mean, the general public does not like scantily clad women where their children can see them when they drive past. Especially said women with that written over them. “Mommy? What does that mean?” “Um, dear….uh….nothing!”
I mean, it’s bad enough when some of you look like bags of soggy lawn trimmings decorated with metal and ink. No need to offend people more. I mean, it’s as bad as looking like a Piney (aka me) or acting like one.
Piney (n.) (adj.)–
1. A rare species raised in isolated conditions that lead to brain-washing. Normally the offspring of seconds cousins. Tends to be raised in a cult and dislike new things. May wear horribly clashing clothes and have different colored eyes or look German. They have litters like dogs (they tend to have eight to ten children). They also tend to have dysautonomia. There are random “flukes” that break free of the vicious cycle but they are rare and hard to find. Some may be hemophobic, which cannot be mistaken with homophobic–which the majority are.
2. A person from the Pine Barrens.
3. A Jersey Devil clone.
So, yeah. You don’t want to be part of Anathemas Day, basically. Unless you realize anathema is a paradox. Then it’s funny.
…I lost my point three paragraphs ago. Where is Cujo when I need him to get me off the computer…no, no, not the rabid dog the person with the pistol for a paperweight…same thing, I suppose…
verydemotivational: disscussions about spelling and Animal protection, and everything in between
spelt spelt spelt spelt spelt spelt spelt spelt spelt spelt spelt
just had to do that
if some one were a True Sadist, wouldn’t they say “No.” when a Masochist says “Hurt Me.”…
America…Because We Can!
It’s about sadism and masochism, so it’s not degrading.
Yet at the same time a woman who is half naked WITHOUT those things would be considered in a degrading position, because of her dress.
Seriously people…
I dont care how you say it or where it came from as long as it tastes good.
did anyone else notice that the website at the bottom is PETAIndia.com?
500 or so comments and there all about a mistake in one comment and not about Peta being sadists? Something is wrong here
We are more concerned with spelling than adult games in the bed room or animal rights. ….lol, its all good, I’ve just put the “u” in colour and labour, that will upset a few Yanks.
This is what happens when you feed the trolls.
WHY CAN’T WE HAVE NICE THINGS?
LOL, I love PETA but this is really funny
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If you think this one is bad…
http://intheknow7.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/peta_ad-1shackled-beaten-abused.jpg?w=500&h=353
Doesn’t PETA care that the whip is made out of some form of animal hide?
So wait this is what Peta is all about? Good Kinky fun? Throw in a little bacon and I’ll sign up!
Lets start again..is spelt or spelled correct?
271 dislike, apparently that’s the number of females on memebase
PETA. Now promotes BDSM.
welcome to modern typing
“Not simply portraying women. Portraying ONLY women, of a certain size and type, for the purpose of making money. Last I checked, that was exploitation.”
That’s not exploitation. It’s objectification. Yeah, women can choose to make themselves objects. They should be free not to, and that’s the important point. She is choosing to, to further a cause she believes in.
Your problem with this ad doesn’t seem to be that she’s being exploited, but that it’s promoting a certain image. As I said, this is not promoting a body type, it’s promoting a worthwhile cause, and using an attractive lady to draw attention.
“So the fight for women’s rights has been won!”
Yeah, that’s what I said. How about you read what I actually wrote? Do you really think your problems are as bad as those of women who can’t walk outside without a man present?
I’m not saying our society is perfect, but our society does recognise the need for equality, as least in principle. There are still battles to be won, and I will help fight them. One of those battles is for a woman’s right (and a man’s, actually) to use their body however they see fit, whether it be having sex for money or posing to stop the needless torture of innocent animals.
Yeah, our society is sexually screwed up. A decent portion of the population only respects sex between a man and a woman (to say nothing of opening their gender definitions beyond the two); I live in a country that bans depictions of bondage as sexual violence; try as you might, most people won’t accept open relationships as legitimate; and BDSM is considered by all too many to be a disorder.
We have very strange ideas about sex, and that in itself is the problem: sex is whatever we make of it. It can be between two people who love each other, two people who only just met, five close friends, men, women, adrogynes, and any who separate them. It can be for fun, or it can be for profit, and the idea that we can dictate what people do with their own bodies of their own free will is f***ed up.
I used to date a sex worker. She used it to keep herself stable while she worked on her music. She had no habit to support, and she wasn’t desperate for cash. It was simply a legitimate and lucrative way to make money until she got paid gigs. What’s wrong with that?
If my girlfriend wanted to put a picture of herself spread-eagle on a billboard, that’s her choice. If she did it to promote animal rights, I would be thrilled.
THIS!
*snap* *snap* *snap* oh no they di’int – one interweb for you lad!
Now that is the right attitude – you’re a fine bloke
Amen
I buy chains, need em for my tires.
No, I do not think he should be able to stop her, and I never said anything pointing in that direction either.
And a man’s contribution is half the DNA. And it’s not about who gets how much, I don’t think the child should be split in half.
You said that the man should have a say in whether the abortion goes ahead or not. I’m saying he can have an OPINION on it, but no, he can’t ever have an actual say in the matter.
His body is not the one affected, so yes, he can have an opinion, but until that fetus grows inside HIS body he gets no say in the matter at all.
Life isn’t fair, but this is one of those instances where you cannot grant additonal rights to one person without stripping someone else of their rights entirely.
An abortion takes place when the child is already there, what makes it a completey different thing.
Don’t you at least agree that choosing to get an abortion differs from the choise of being sterilised? Even if you don’t agree with me on all the rest.
Whah?? How the f*** does any of this have anything to do with Kelly’s character – a thing none of us can claim to know based on this thread, anyway? Anyway, Kelly is completely right to be offended because sitakali was completely and 100% out of line for accusing dominant men of being latent (or wannabe) rapists and murderers.
Lovely. I feel old now.
F**K OFF. It would actually be known as Post-Modern typing because Modern typing had a specific method and an absolute way to spell everything. Correctly. Whilst your ‘Post-Modern’ spelling holds no absolutes and so allows for variation in the spelling of a multiplicity of words. F**K OFF.
Hmm, tbh yes there are rights in which Women have obviously not won, but looking at other and imo more important things such as job rights, Women can have the same jobs as men and be payed just as well if not More in certain cases. Tbh, sometimes it just feels as if there asking for even more than what Men have, Of course I am not saying that Women are equal to men in all standards, and most likely never will be. Just like how Men are Not equal to women in all standards and never will be. Were different, there is no denying that.
*sighs lovingly* Oh Benji… You’re amazing. You’re girlfriend is a lucky, lucky girl. (this is not sarcasm by the way
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Are you sure that the model posed for this exact ad? Or perhaps they used a previously taken picture from something completely unrelated to them and used it in their ad? Maybe they did that and the model had no clue that it would be used for a PETA campaign?
Just a thought…
And for the record… I don’t like PETA, heard of too much screwed up stuff that they have possibly done. I’d rather just adopt a dog from a local shelter instead. That way I know that the money isn’t going to a bunch of crazies.
And with the other conversations (sorry, trying to fit it all into one post to get it done faster) I consider myself mostly “vanilla” so far, but I have nothing against kinky types, as long as they don’t look down on us “vanilla” types. Different people get off to different things. Some enjoy regular sex and some don’t. Nothing wrong with either one. If they enjoy what they’re doing, what’s wrong with it?
Ok, back to the regularly scheduled tangent…
I believe this quote I found on a website should help…
“As long as you don’t have sex with anything or anyone who cannot or will not give you consent, you should be fine.”
That’s all the guidelines you when it comes to sex.
right attitude? The guy just compared an unborn child to a leech and scoffed at the idea of child birth. He’s rejecting biology and the preservation of our species. I’m all for having an opinion but some opinions deserve more merit than others.
You people are vastly overestimating the amount of pregnancies that have problems.
Most births, when done at a reasonable age (as in low to mid 20s) won’t have any complications from the pregnancy.
AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!!!!!!111
TOO MUCH OF TEH ANGERZ AND ARGOOINZ!!! DEMOTICAT IZ ANGRYZ!!
…Seriously, guys, enough is enough. There is a button at the top of the page that sehz ‘Lolcats’. You need to click it. This site is supposed to be funny and you’ve gone on and on and on and on about everything from bondage to abortion to women’s libs. W. T. F.? o.0′ Uncheck the ‘notify me’ button and go find a silly picture to caption. Here, I will help you with that. Have a slug with a hat: http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w280/Elestra/slugofcuteness1.jpg
Because there is no way this amount of seriousness should ever be posted on a website this full of lulz. Srsly. Leave this webpage and never come back
OR DEMOTICAT WILLZ BE ANGRRZY!!!111
^ The guy who wishes he invented modern typing.
shut up hipster.
These comments aren’t nested enough. we have to go deeper!
Some people talk about posmodernism, other academics talk about hipermodernism, someday humans are gonna end up making up as many weird names as George Lucas. We are just a few generations away from talking about the post-after-hiper-super-duper-post-modernism. Meanwhile… “yea” was using the word “modern” as an adjective.