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Seriously laws of thermodynamics. WTF.
Especially you 2nd law. You killed more sci fi dreams than the universal speed limit.
Completing a circuit.
Is not thermodynamics.
thermodynamics: study of energy. it is thermodynamics
‘meh” is close. It’s not really thermo but more like a basic circuits course: since the resistance is negligible and no source of voltage = no power (since P=IV or P=(I^2)R)
But the “DAMN YOU THERMODYNAMICS Always ruining everything” is hilarious. Especially the 2nd law
I like to think of it less in terms of “ruining everything” and more in terms of “keeping runaway free-energy devices from blowing up the universe.”
duh… get back to school… Thermo= heat Dynamics=movement
Although heat IS energy, energy is NOT heat, it is also many things more (like electrical energy, potencial energy, kinetic energy (or however its spelled, in spanish its cinética) wich has NOTHING to do with thermodynamics… i know my english isn’t great but before you say something about it learn another language. If you do then trash about it.
FAIL for you…
if you could connect the plug to an active power outlet, then disconnect it infinitely fast and connect it to itself, you will indeed have a current loop!
Sadly, the atoms on the cable are vibrating because of its temperature (internal energy). Electric charges will collide with the atoms and eventually stop the current. On the other hand, the cable’s temperature will rise a little.
So we have temperature and internal energy. What else? Oh yeah, we could never haver electric current back from the atoms’ vibrations. So we also have an irreversible process. We could say then that the 2nd law of thermodynamics is playing its role.
I want to finish stating that every branch of physics applies everywhere. Maybe some branch would not be a suitable modeling tool here, but all physics applies anyway. Long life to physics!
too far-fetched. didn’t believe.
Um… except that at the quantum level, some physics sort of, well, bends a bit. Weird things happen. Like the same bit existing in two places at once?
eventually all energy will end up in heat
and I don’t think you can’t make heat in any other kind of energy if the temperature is pretty much the same all around
I may be wrong sooooooo reply me and take me out of this pit of ignorance.
no it’s not
Conservation of Energy
IS Thermodynamics
I can’t BELIEVE I just had to explain that.
Seriously? Thermodynamics = study of energy conversion between heat and mechanical work. Hence the THERMO in the name. I can’t BELIEVE I just had to explain that. XD
I can’t BELIEVE you think you explained that.
HEAT TRANSFER is Thermodynamics. Energy can also be potential and kinetic, which has nothing to do with heat. AND electric energy has nothing to do with temperature. It’s more of a electro-magnetic type of thing.
Exactly. Do you guys even know what THERMO- means?
Yes it does, look: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waste_heat
It even refers to the second rule of thermodynamics.
Ok, horrible statement, this has to do with the conversion of energy. So never mind that.
But this statement -> “AND electric energy has nothing to do with temperature”
is still wrong, cause electrical resistance is influenced by the temperature.
Yes, it is. I didn’t mean it in that way. I meant that electricity is “fueled” by electric fields produced from charged objects (particles). Electrons move towards positive charges, because they are with a negative charge. What I meant to say is that even if the temperature was 0°K electrons would still move if you introduce a positive charge near it.
Then should have said “Conservation of energy is PART of thermodynamics.”
Since Conservation of Energy is the FIRST LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS.
Unless Georgia State University is wrong… http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/firlaw.html
No… Georgia State University is not wrong. You are. Internal energy and heat have nothing (ok, not exactly nothing) to do with electric energy in the context of this conversation. Conservation of energy is a physics principle not just in thermodynamics. It’s the first law of thermodynamics, because the subject talks only about the transfer of internal energy (temperature). I’m not saying that what you are saying is wrong. I’m saying that it has no relation to the subject. “Thermodynamics” and “Electricity and Magnetism” are two different studies in physics.
“No… Georgia State University is not wrong. You are.”
“I’m not saying that what you are saying is wrong.”
Really? Thanks for the lesson. What you are saying is also correct, if contradictory.
My Statement:
“Conservation of Energy
IS Thermodynamics.”
Was a response to this statement by Meh:
“Completing a circuit.
Is not thermodynamics.”
Where he implies that the poster is not correct in saying that thermodynamics is the problem with the concept in question.
Indeed however, if the concept of plugging a powerstrip into itself did in fact provide “infinite power”, then it would defy the Conservation of Energy, as it would be creating power.
I understand that you are saying “Conservation of Energy” is not only a thermodynamics principle, but that it also applies to other areas of physics. this is also correct.
So perhaps the poster should say “Damn you, Law of Conservation of Energy”?
Georgia State University *is* wrong. Always.
in simple words:
first law- you CAN’T win the game
second law- you CAN’T EVEN draw in the game
third law- you can’t get out of the game
we are screwed, f**k you entropy
this is NOT thermo. if youve ever been to college, you know this has nothing to do with thermo. electricity is the flow of electrons, which can potentially be used to create heat, which is dealt with in thermo. but a CIRCUIT, quite obviously picture here with no voltage source so it couldnt charge anything anyway, is dealt with in e&m. The reason the circuit doesnt work is because there is no voltage source, not thermodynamics.
conservation of energy is applied to many subjects within physics, not just thermo. the first law of thermodynamics is just cons. of energy written in application to thermo. for example, cons. of energy can also be written to apply to mechanics, or
total E = Kenetic E + Potential E,
an equation which has NO HEAT VARIABLES in it and is only based on local gravity, mass, height/orbital radius, and velocity.
Source: I’m a physics grad student and this demotivational made me angry.
You are wrong. as a grad student in physics, you know nothing about thermo. and if you were a real physics grad student you would know how to spell kinetic! you have to be an engineer to take real thermo. you are missing some terms:
total E = kinetic E + potential E ==WRONG, this is only a physicist consercation of energy
for thermo its more like this:
total E = internal energy U + kinetic E + potential E
This was fairly amusing the first time, not at all amusing the second.
Tell me about it…
The Law of Conservation of Energy is a staple of our physical world –Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. You should have learned that in grade school.
I did learn that in grade school. I was agreeing with the poster: the laws of thermodynamics are irritating. What did you think “Tell me about it” meant?
Here is the problem from a scientific point of view:
There is no power in the power strip when you plug. If you could plug it to a power outlet first and pull it out and plug it in the power strip INFINITELY FAST, then you could have infinite power.
no, cuz resistance will dissipate the energy quickly
wat about put a little electrical charge into it will it run in circles?
it’ll transform to heat because of the resistance upon the flow of electrical energy.
the 2nd law of thermodynamics is what prevent us from time travel
It works! You just can’t plug anything else in.
F** U ENTROPY, SERIOUSLY F**K U!
There’s no law of thermodynamics at play here. There’s no power *source*. Nothing is starting the movement of electrons.
Fail at attempt to be cute.
unless there is an oscillating magnetic field parallel with the loop’s normal vector.
Im a doctoral in physics and this is not thermodynamics. This is electricity and electromagnetism. Thermodynamics studies the laws of mater in different states. This is electrical potential and energy…
Like when he’s tract’r tippin’?
Filipe, could you repost this as a response to the large discussion up above? Thank you for adding up to the discussion.
I always thought is was *Thermal Dynamics*, which makes perfect sense because both those words are correct, and when used in conjunction; define “thermodynamics”. Why was this silly word invented when it wasn’t needed?
Not eveyone speaks English f**ktard, it’s what we call Greek and there isn’t much of a point in translating it.
Troll physics doesn’t work irl, .. sadly
NERD ATTACK:
Thermodynamics involves HEAT. not ELECTRICITY.
Thermodynamics involves energy in ALL its forms, not only heat energy.
Dude… seriously… SHUT THE F**K UP! There’s a reason why it’s called THERMOdynamics. By the way, what do you study?
By the way… Sorry about this. I had a bad day.
ya, lrn2physics.
nerd attack is not very effective
Dude. I know physics at a level enough to know that Electricity and Thermodynamics are not related enough to make this thermodynamics. the creator was trying to make himself sound intelligent, while he actually is as dumb as all the physics trolls in the net.
I may then have lost a tiny bit of grammar, but that doesn’t enter into it. STUDY YOUR PHYSICS. If you purely focus on electronics, then you won’t get that much info about heat, and vide versa.
“as an electron moves through a resistor at constant drift speed, its average kinetic energy remains constant and its lost electric potential energy appears as thermal energy in the resistor and the surroundings…the mechanical energy thus transferred to thermal energy is dissipated (lost) because the transfer cannot be reversed” pg 695
“Second law of thermodynamics: If a process occurs in a closed system, the entrophy of the system increases for irreversible processes.” pg 542
-Fundamentals of Physics, 9th edition, ISBN 978-0-470-46908-8
Dude. I am a physics major in my junior year of college, i took Electricity and Magnetism two semesters ago and got an A, I know what i am talking about, and i got text to back me up.
i will say again: lrn2physics
That involves waste heat, and that may enter into Thermodynamics, but I think waste heat is not related to this picture.
Jeezez. That people are so serious about this thingy. The world just quit making sense.
it is related, because waste heat is the reason why the surge protector setup would not create a self sustaining electric current, which the creator of the original pic implied would happen. Therefore, Thermodynamics is ruining the op’s plan for infinite power.
…tempted to leave this in a troll physics thread
damn you’re stupid
you are all idiots. I never comment but your lack of education requires and AMERICAN to teach you something.
Thermodynamics invovles heat transfer and work related to energy. The laws governing electricity are borrowed from the laws of thermodynamics. Electricity is governed by laws pertaining to electromagnetic fields. Idiots all of you
I’m actually a little embarrassed to be an American after reading this statement.
Lack of proper capitalization: Check
Lack of proper punctuation: Check
Ending sentences with prepositions: Check
I appreciate you trying to help, but this really does not add anything to our cause. We Americans have enough trouble with people out here in cyberspace thinking we are idiots without being wrong all the time when correcting those very people.
Dude
I’m glad we agree on something 
If you list things, you need to put a semicolon at the end of your topics, and a full stop after the last topic.
Like this:
Typos made: check;
Correction failure: check;
Win inverted to fail: check.
You are right: Americans – even the smarter ones – have lots of reasons to be embarassed.
You other Commenters do know, that most of the Energy is “lost” because of conversion to unreusable thermal energy? this is why something like this could never work.
So the Poster poster (wow… what a word) is absolutely right in saying “Damn you Thermodynamics!”
Finally someone gets it.
Actually, he doesn’t.
In a theoretical world where Energy would not be lost in the form of heat, but the general law of conservation of energy remains, this would still not work.
let me explain:
You hook up an appliance with energy need A to your “infinite energy source”. Going through the loop the source would need A (from the appliance) + A (from the loop because of the appliance). But it can only get energy A. And since 2A does not equal A because 2 does not equal 1, it cannot work.
So, thermodynamics has nothing to do with it.
Huh? Could you elaborate this a bit more? From what you wrote this does not really make sense…
And even if your right, in a prectical world thermodynamics HAS something to do with it. (Since there is haet conversion)
In all these Considerations I assume, that someone had plugged the thing into an Outlet and then really quik (I mean wow… really really really quick) unplugged it and plugged it into itself. (So there is not 0 potential Power in the System.
You just proved supernova’s point with your explanation, though you meant to prove him wrong.
So you win at failing and therefore fail.
Ok Trolls. Then let’s just damn the law of conservation of energy and everybody is happy. This law is ruining everything, in Thermodynamics, Mechanics and Electrodynamics.
yes, and lets round pi to 3.1
Just round it to 3. Or better yet, let’s round it to 0… that’s the nearest 10′s digit right?
Don’t forget Hydrodynamics.
*Sage Nod*
OMFG, now I know why I am a seldom commenter.
Heat, controlling electricity since never
“Damn you quantum electrodynamics”. Everybody wins.
very demotivational indeed
if someone needed a strong argument to state that even physics majors and doctorate americans are retards , well here it is .
laughing and crying my ass off
oh and by the way none of you are right .or you are right but unrelated with the fenomenon in the picture .
learn to stop being stupid more likely is an advice here .
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Ah, Nerd Rage…how cute.
If that was a superconductor, it would be able to sustain a magnetic field!
http://hackaday.com/2010/04/01/how-to-make-a-mains-crossover-cable/
there.
Does work
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconductor
And in the end… How do magnets work?… I thought this was a site which collects fails. Not a site in which you discuss Scientific subjects. And in physics, how a current circuit works, it’s a different subject from pure thermo dynamics. The fact that heat is a consequence to a resistor, it’s just causeed by the shape and the purpose of a resistance (you could even explain it by the gas pressure model)… in the end… Heaven Shall Burn – Endzeit “we are the final ones, we are, we are the, we are the final RESISTANCE”…
Insert Trollface.jpg here…
for all of you who think electricity and thermodynamics are unrelated: ever heard of a refridgerator? or how about the notion of using electrical work to take away heat? thermodynamics! ha